Ukraine started negotiations with Romania for a bilateral security agreement in Davos

[Cybele]

On the sidelines of the fourth meeting of national security advisers and political advisers to state leaders on the implementation of the Peace Formula in Davos, the Ukrainian side led by the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak, began bilateral negotiations with the Secretary of State of the Romanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Iulian Fota, on concluding a bilateral security agreement.

The negotiations started in pursuance of the instruction of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy within the framework of the G7 Joint Declaration of Support for Ukraine. They marked the advancement of bilateral relations to the level of strategic partnership. This logically furthers the agreements reached following the phone call between the Presidents of Ukraine and Romania on January 9, 2024, and is a step towards the implementation of the Joint Declaration of the two leaders of October 10, 2023.

Romania became the 9th country to start bilateral security talks with Ukraine, and once again reaffirmed its unflagging support for Ukraine's independence and territorial integrity, as well as its European and Euro-Atlantic path.

According to Ihor Zhovkva, Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, it is impossible to imagine full-fledged security guarantees in Europe, particularly in the Black Sea region, without Romania.

Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Mykola Tochytskyi expressed gratitude to Romania and the Romanian people for their continued assistance to our country.

The parties discussed the main elements of a future bilateral security agreement and agreed on modalities for further negotiations.

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news...zpochala-88321

The Romanian president and government have never been transparent about the military aid given to Ukraine. What is concerning these security bilateral agreements are being signed without consulting the population or even the Romanian Parliament, purely formally. President Iohannis did not consult the legislature in any way when he launched the respective negotiations, for which a mandate granted by a vote is mandatory.
The President of Romania, Klaus Iohannis, and the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, previously had "a strategic conversation" and agreed on cooperation priorities for the year 2024.
Following the talks, Zelensky indicated that Romania had agreed to further help Ukraine with artillery and air defense needs. Last year Zelensky thanked Romania (among other countries) for providing help with its air defense. He said that these countries have contributed with Patriot, NASAMS, IRIS-T, RAVEN, Hawk and other missile systems.
During his visit to Bucharest in October, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky also said that he and his Romanian counterpart, Klaus Iohannis, discussed ways to speed up the process of training Ukrainian pilots to allow them to be "among the first in the first line".

The Strategic Partnership with Ukraine only comes to formalize the armed confrontation with Moscow, despite the opposition of a good part of the Romanian population.

[gixajo]

It is normal that it is not clear how and what help is given by anyone, doing it would be giving clues to the enemy. The same thing happens in Spain, only from time to time it was published (inaccurately) what was transferred to Ukraine,but the exact numbers are not stated anywhere, you have to go searching news by news to know it approximately.

Here there is also a good part of the population that does not want to give military aid to Ukraine, not because it supports Russia (some do it covertly though, curiously both extremes of the politial field, far-right and far left), but above all because participating in wars is "badly seen" since infantile pacifism is deeply embedded in Spanish society. associated with anti-miltarianism.

[CosmoLady]

The Romanian president and government have never been transparent about the military aid given to Ukraine. What is concerning these security bilateral agreements are being signed without consulting the population or even the Romanian Parliament, purely formally. President Iohannis did not consult the legislature in any way when he launched the respective negotiations, for which a mandate granted by a vote is mandatory.
The President of Romania, Klaus Iohannis, and the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, previously had "a strategic conversation" and agreed on cooperation priorities for the year 2024.
Following the talks, Zelensky indicated that Romania had agreed to further help Ukraine with artillery and air defense needs. Last year Zelensky thanked Romania (among other countries) for providing help with its air defense. He said that these countries have contributed with Patriot, NASAMS, IRIS-T, RAVEN, Hawk and other missile systems.
During his visit to Bucharest in October, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky also said that he and his Romanian counterpart, Klaus Iohannis, discussed ways to speed up the process of training Ukrainian pilots to allow them to be "among the first in the first line".

The Strategic Partnership with Ukraine only comes to formalize the armed confrontation with Moscow, despite the opposition of a good part of the Romanian population.

Reckless foreign policy

Increases the likelihood of a conflict between Russia and Romania, over Ukraine or Moldova or Transnistria

I heard that Moldova and Ukraine are full of Romanian troops wearing local uniforms or no uniforms.
Likewise Ukraine is full of Polish, American, and many other NATO troops wearing local uniforms or no uniforms.

Putin or Orban will only respect a nationalist, independent Romanian leader, a Romanian Orban equivalent.
Strong independent men respect each other, even if they do not always agree.

Is Romania trapped into supporting the US-Ukraine agenda because it wants to annex Moldova, against Russian interests?
Does Iohannis have higher ambitions, such as leadership of a transnational organisation?
Or is this pure corruption? The Biden family/CIA is closely financially connected to Popoviciu and more of the Romanian elite probably, as they are with the Ukrainian elite and liberal Russian and Kazakh elites.

This type of insidious treasonous corruption subverts a nation,
and leads to starting wars against Russia on behalf of the US,
as happened with Ukraine in 2014 and 2022, and with Georgia in 2008.

Will the West continue to tantalise Romania forever with the Moldova issue and a possible NATO presidency?

I would not fall for this trick, the US is fundamentally untrustworthy.

[gixajo]

Reckless foreign policy

Increases the likelihood of a conflict between Russia and Romania, over Ukraine or Moldova or Transnistria

I heard that Moldova and Ukraine are full of Romanian troops wearing local uniforms or no uniforms.
Likewise Ukraine is full of Polish, American, and many other NATO troops wearing local uniforms or no uniforms.

Putin or Orban will only respect a nationalist, independent Romanian leader, a Romanian Orban equivalent.
Strong independent men respect each other, even if they do not always agree.

Is Romania trapped into supporting the US-Ukraine agenda because it wants to annex Moldova, against Russian interests?
Does Iohannis have higher ambitions, such as leadership of a transnational organisation?
Or is this pure corruption? The Biden family/CIA is closely financially connected to Popoviciu and more of the Romanian elite probably,
as they are with the Ukrainian elite and liberal Russian and Kazakh elites.

This type of insidious treasonous corruption subverts a nation,
and leads to starting wars against Russia on behalf of the US,
as happened with Ukraine in 2014 and 2022, and with Georgia in 2008.

Will the West continue to tantalise Romania forever with the Moldova issue and a possible NATO presidency?

I would not fall for this trick, the US is fundamentally untrustworthy.

Every day you are becoming funnier.

Do you know Lily? She is Loki's wife or partner, I think Loki is South African. You should both know each other, I'm sure you'll become very good friends. i mean Lily, not Loki. Well, with Loki too.

You and she are very similar in your opinions and in the way you spread pro-Russian rhetoric and propaganda arguments.

It is curious how a person who due to his life background should be a freethinker or at least have peculiar and unique ideas from time to time, ends up being a mere spreader vector of rhetorical propaganda that is offered to the common masses by an extensive pro-Russian propaganda apparatus.

"I would not fall in that trick..." yeah, surely. I still remember what Russian officials said a week before the invasion when USA warns about a potential attack " Just wargames!!! The Western is paranoid!!! We would never invade Ukraine!!!"

You would surely have defended that idea that the Russian officials wanted to spread, just as you are now doing with this issue of Romania.

[dviz]

Is Romania trapped into supporting the US-Ukraine agenda because it wants to annex Moldova, against Russian interests?

What a disgusting comment. Moldova is a founding principality of modern Romania. Republic of Moldova is a land occupied by Russia, taken away from historic Moldova. Romania can only re-unite with its own territory. It is Russia who is doing the annexations in the region.

Republic of Moldova will reunite with Romania when it's ready. Romanians have a saying: sângele apă nu se face (approx. translation: blood is thicker than water).

[Scarface F]

Do you know Lily? She is Loki's wife or partner, I think Loki is South African.

Lily isn't Loki's wife or partner. Loki's wife, to my knowledge, was Northern Irish Protestant who had a profile here early on and is inactive for years. Lily is of southern English and ethnic Irish ancestry and few other things. Lily has a mixed race child with a Carribean guy, and another child with white English man who was a schizo according to her own description.

I don't know for any of Lily's relations to Loki who is a south African living in UK, except their similar political opinions when it came to Russia.

Lily isn't a Christian either and showed sympathy for paganism, witchcraft and occult, unlike Loki.

[CosmoLady]

You and she are very similar in your opinions and in the way you spread pro-Russian rhetoric and propaganda arguments.

It is curious how a person who due to his life background should be a freethinker or at least have peculiar and unique ideas from time to time, ends up being a mere spreader vector of rhetorical propaganda that is offered to the common masses by an extensive pro-Russian propaganda apparatus.

And you are indistinguishable from every other midwit with the same tiresome, lame, unoriginal, ad hominem attacks as always

Zero substance, only personal attacks as always.

Do you have anything remotely interesting to say?

"I would not fall in that trick..." yeah, surely. I still remember what Russian officials said a week before the invasion when USA warns about a potential attack " Just wargames!!! The Western is paranoid!!! We would never invade Ukraine!!!"

Haha, yes, but Zelensky fell for that trick, that was a good one

You would surely have defended that idea that the Russian officials wanted to spread, just as you are now doing with this issue of Romania.

Projecting what is not written, the same tiresome tactic as always, are you a woke middle-aged woman? You sound like one!

You have a case of Russia Derangement Syndrome!

Actually you seem like an old person who watches too much state TV, whose mind is trapped. You must be old, mentally

[CosmoLady]

What a disgusting comment. Moldova is a founding principality of modern Romania. Republic of Moldova is a land occupied by Russia, taken away from historic Moldova. Romania can only re-unite with its own territory. It is Russia who is doing the annexations in the region.

The Republic of Moldova is a sovereign state,
it could have reunited with Romania if it wanted to, maybe it will eventually, it does not matter to me either way,

I just don't want to start World War 3 because of some unnecessary preventable conflict in Moldova or Transnistria!

Republic of Moldova will reunite with Romania when it's ready. Romanians have a saying: sângele apă nu se face (approx. translation: blood is thicker than water).

Yes maybe it will, maybe it should, but in the meantime the US/NATO seems to be dangling the Moldova carrot in front of Romania

[dviz]

The Republic of Moldova is a sovereign state,
it could have reunited with Romania if it wanted to, maybe it will eventually, it does not matter to me either way,

That was obviously not possible, after 50 years of forceful Soviet denationalization.
The locals were marched into Russian language schools, and taught bullshit about their own identity.

I just don't want to start World War 3 because of some unnecessary conflict in Moldova or Transnistria, thank you very much!

Transnistria is a land ruled by Russian gangs dressed as communists, posing as protectors of the retirees. It's hilarious.
Most have Romanian passports already.

Yes maybe it will, maybe it should, but in the meantime the US/NATO seems to be dangling the Moldova carrot in front of Romania

Russia should just stay the fuck out of Eastern Europe. Russia is not wanted here. They can slave to China day and night, for all we care.

[Cybele]

I heard that Moldova and Ukraine are full of Romanian troops wearing local uniforms or no uniforms.

I don't know about Moldova.
I know that in Ukraine there is Romanian Battlegroup Getica. They are a fighting group formed by Romanian speakers in Ukraine. The group was established last year in September and began by uniting Romanian combatants who were already in various military units and structures in Ukraine.

Putin or Orban will only respect a nationalist, independent Romanian leader, a Romanian Orban equivalent.
Strong independent men respect each other, even if they do not always agree.

Maybe they would be able to respect each other to a degree, because they would find common ground on certain issues.
But I also wonder if either of these two countries would actually enjoy a strong, independent and especially nationalist Romanian leader. There could be some points of collision too I imagine, because of our historical past.
Orban for example showed up at a match of the Hungarian national team, with a scarf on which was printed the map of Great Hungary, which also includes a piece of Transylvania. How a nationalist Romanian leader would react to that?

But yes, we would need a leader who has the ability to play his/her political cards smartly, who cares about the interests of the country or at least not lead it to its destruction. And manages to maintain, if possible, good relations with the neighbors.

Is Romania trapped into supporting the US-Ukraine agenda because it wants to annex Moldova, against Russian interests?

I don’t think so. Moldova has a pro-Western administration currently, but they seem to hold to their own independent path. Polls show that at the moment Moldovans don’t want a reunification with Romania. I don't see how Romania will "annex" it.
I think they support this agenda, because they are people of the West. And they support it, even if the actions that are being taken because of it, are to the detriment of our country. Zelensky thanked Iohannis for the strong support he offered to Ukraine, even if the latter had to deal with local farmer's protests.

Does Iohannis have higher ambitions, such as leadership of a transnational organisation?

I guess he probably wouldn’t mind getting a higher function in the European Council … maybe NATO, if he could. He is potential candidate to replace
Charles Michel, president of the European Council. And the scenario of Iohannis becoming new president of the European Council was discussed inside the National Liberal Party (of which he’s member). It was established that in the event, the current president of the Romanian senate and head of PNL, Nicolae Ciuca, will act as president of Romania ad-interim, until the election of a new president in November this year.

Or is this pure corruption? The Biden family/CIA is closely financially connected to Popoviciu and more of the Romanian elite probably, as they are with the Ukrainian elite and liberal Russian and Kazakh elites.

Yes, corruption probably plays a big role. One can expect for majority of politicians to have some skeletons in their closets.