Question regarding ethnic groups of Albanians, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and Greeks

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Romanian Moldovans don't plot with Bulgarians, only these from southern counties (Galați and Vrancea) are close to Bulgarians.

Whatever, I've seen so many results. Russki's point was that Romanian cluster only with Bulgarians, and that is incorrect.

Here's some results for autosomal, Y-DNA, and mtDNA:

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Hungarians group with the West Slavs

Hungarians are genetically closest to Slovenes and Croats and closer to them than to any West Slavs. However they are generally unique apart from that since even these two are not that highly similar with them, especially not Croats.

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Tbh I didn't pay great attention for Poles and Hungarians, but afair Eastern Poles cluster with Slovaks and Western Ukrainians, but overall, Poles cluster with the rest of the West Slavs.

Poles are on average notably more Slavic and northern than Slovaks and especially Czechs.

Western Ukrainians are not genetically homogenous - Galicians and Carpathian highlanders cluster with SE Poles. NW Ukrainians from Volynia and Poles from areas like Lublin are much more Slavic and northern.

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So where does that leave Albanians, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and Greeks? What ethnic groups do they generally belong to?

Also what about the Baltic States? Are they considered as North Slavic?

Albanians and Greeks belong to old isolated branches of Indo-European but we could call them Paleo-Balkanites, Albanians especially. Some say Greek and Albanian form wider group with Armenian but not sure how much applicable is that.

Romanians are eastern Romance, Latins, like the southern Europeans but genetically they are Balkan people (mix of Slavs and Daco-Romans) with culture that fits their geographical position with some local uniqueness since they always looked towards their Romance brethen.

Moldovans are closest related to Romanians (Moldova is historical region and land in last of Romania as well, thus east Romanians are Moldovans), speaking essentially same language but they are more eastern European influenced culturally and genetically but still cluster close to Balkan people, in their case Bosnians and Serbs.

Hungarians are Finno-Ugric and their closest linguistic relatives in Europe are Finns and Estonians. They are not Indo-European and more specifically their language belongs to Ugric branch of Finno-Ugric that has other spekers in western Siberia, called Khanty and Mansi people. Culturally Hungarians are central Europeans and most similar to Slovaks and other people from Visegrad 4 block. Genetically speaking they are also fitting their position in central Europe, being mix of Slavs, Germans, Balkanites and old steppe tribes.

Baltic states are not north Slavic but are strongly connected to northern Slavs in genetics, phenotypes and history. Balts are Indo-Europeans and closest relatives of the Slavs linguistically speaking but they are not Slavic since Baltic is a separate branch of the wider Balto-Slavic family. Genetically speaking Baltic states are epitome of eastern European genetics. Estonians as northenmost of these 3 groups are lingusitically Finnic and closest relatives to the Finns.

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Slavic same as the more general grouping Indoeuropean is mainly determined by language.

The Slavic nations or ethnicities are all those whose tongue belongs to the Slavic language family, then East,West or South is solely.
determined by their geographical location.

Greek,Albanian and Romanian are part of the family of Indoeuropean languages but they don't belong to the Slavic language family.

Execept of the very general Indoeuropean grouping, Greeks and Albanians are ethnic isolates there is no
real larger ethnic grouping to which they belong.

Romanians i believe are grouped with Romance people like Italians,Spanish and French.

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The distances were for K13.

Tbh I didn't pay great attention for Poles and Hungarians, but afair Eastern Poles cluster with Slovaks and Western Ukrainians, but overall, Poles cluster with the rest of the West Slavs.

I don't remember distances in K13 because people on this forum don't use in K13 anymore. In both G25 and K36 they don't cluster with Slovaks, except Silesians.

Slovaks and Western Ukrainians

NW Ukrainians from Volyn are closer to Donetsk Ukrainians on the opposite end of the country than to Lviv Ukrainians who live next door.

Northern Ukrainians are very homogeneous genetically, from West to East.

In regards to Romanians, Wallachians and Moldovans cluster with Bulgarians, Banateans with Serbs, Transylvanians with Montenegrins, and Moldovans from RM with Bosnians - so it's very spread out, and not clustered specifically with Bulgarians.

Okay, okay, Northern Romanians cluster with Serbs and Montenegrians, and Moldovans somewhere in Bosnia.

This calculatorish similarity is highly superficial, Serbo-Croatian speakers are all quite tall on average, their genetic similarity is on much deeper level than with Northern Romanians and Moldovans. A Montenegrin is far closer to a Bosniak than to some dude in Northern Romania who has similar proportions of Slavic and Paleo-Balkan.