Question regarding ethnic groups of Albanians, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and Greeks

[♥ Lily ♥]

I'm just curious about Slavic people and was wondering a few things.

Present-day Slavs are classified into three groups:

West Slavs (chiefly Czechs, Kashubians, Poles, Slovaks, and Sorbs)

East Slavs (chiefly Belarusians, Russians, Rusyns, and Ukrainians)

South Slavs (chiefly Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenigrins, Serbs, and Slovenes)

So where does that leave Albanians, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and Greeks? What ethnic groups do they generally belong to?

Also what about the Baltic States? Are they considered as North Slavic?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

These ethnic divisions are not really ethnicities, they are mostly based on language groups. Nobody will tell you in real life that their ethnicity is "East Slavic". Albanians are Albanians and Greeks are Greeks (Hellenic), because they belong to an independent branch of the Indo-European language family. Romanians and Moldovans are part of the Romance group, as are the Portuguese, Spanish, French and Italians, but just as there are subdivisions for West\East\South Slavic there is also a subdivision for Eastern Romance. The Hungarians are Magyars. None of the Baltic countries are Slavic.

[Blondie]

There is no real meta ethnicity based identity in Hungary, hungarians consider themselves just hungarians. But i would say most hungarians identify themselves with huns and finno-ugric, so the "hunnic" or "finno-ugric" can be meta ethnicity for hungarians. The first one is a "cultural-historical" identity which is connecting to early steppe nomads that lived in East Europe, not necessarily to turkics, but especially refers to scythians (szittya) and their descedants who served in the hun army.
In the hungarian identity there is a scythian - hun - magyar continuity. According to this, the uralic pre-hungarians became steppe nomads and part of scythian tribes, later they became part of hun tribal alliance when huns gathered every steppe nomad in East Europe under their banner. And after that they became hungarians.

The finno-ugric identity is West based and popular among western oriented hungarians. I think its most popular in Budapest, but not rare in countryside either.

There are local meta ethnicities, for example the "pannonian" is very popular in Transdanubia. In Cumania (Kunság) the turkic identity is popular, also many szekler consider themselves turkic. The "jassic" (iranic) identity is popular in Jászság. Or some hungarian have duel meta-ethnic identity like hunnic & turkic at same time, or finno-ugric & hunnic etc.

[dviz]

I'm just curious about Slavic people and was wondering a few things.

Present-day Slavs are classified into three groups:

West Slavs (chiefly Czechs, Kashubians, Poles, Slovaks, and Sorbs)

East Slavs (chiefly Belarusians, Russians, Rusyns, and Ukrainians)

South Slavs (chiefly Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenigrins, Serbs, and Slovenes)

So where does that leave Albanians, Romanians, Moldovans, Hungarians, and Greeks? What ethnic groups do they generally belong to?

Also what about the Baltic States? Are they considered as North Slavic?

Like Brás already said, these can be characterized better as language groups, rather than ethnic groups.

Nonetheless, from a genetic standpoint, there are some clusters in which non-Slavic speaking Eastern Europeans fit.

Hungarians group with the West Slavs, Romanians and Moldovans with the South Slavs, and Albanians with the Northern Greeks.

The Baltic states cluster between the Finns, Poles and Northwestern Russians.

[Vulvokov]

There is no real meta ethnicity based identity in Hungary, hungarians consider themselves just hungarians. But i would say most hungarians identify themselves with huns and finno-ugric, so the "hunnic" or "finno-ugric" can be meta ethnicity for hungarians. The first one is a "cultural-historical" identity which is connecting to early steppe nomads that lived in East Europe, not necessarily to turkics, but especially refers to scythians (szittya) and their descedants who served in the hun army.
In the hungarian identity there is a scythian - hun - magyar continuity. According to this, the uralic pre-hungarians became steppe nomads and part of scythian tribes, later they became part of hun tribal alliance when huns gathered every steppe nomad in East Europe under their banner. And after that they became hungarians.

The finno-ugric identity is West based and popular among western oriented hungarians. I think its most popular in Budapest, but not rare in countryside either.

There are local meta ethnicities, for example the "pannonian" is very popular in Transdanubia. In Cumania (Kunság) the turkic identity is popular, also many szekler consider themselves turkic. The "jassic" (iranic) identity is popular in Jászság. Or some hungarian have duel meta-ethnic identity like hunnic & turkic at same time, or finno-ugric & hunnic etc.

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[Russki]

Nonetheless, from a genetic standpoint, there are some clusters in which non-Slavic speaking Eastern Europeans fit.

Hungarians group with the West Slavs, Romanians and Moldovans with the South Slavs, and Albanians with the Northern Greeks.

The Baltic states cluster between the Finns, Poles and Northwestern Russians.

Hungarians cluster with Slovenians, which are classified as South Slavs, but are really their own thing genetically.

Polish cluster with Ukrainians and Southwest Russians, despite the former being West Slavic and the latter two being East Slavic. Polish language is West Slavic but West Slavic cluster doesn't exist in genetic terms.

Romanians don't cluster with all South Slavs, but more specifically with Bulgarians, so it would be more appropriate to call it East Balkan cluster.

Lithuanians and Latvians form a cluster on their own which is close to Belarusians, while Estonians cluster with North-Central Russians.

There are some differences depending on methodology of comparison (G25 or K36 for e.g.), but some things you wrote are wrong regardless of which tool is being used.

[ioas12]

Like Brás already said, these can be characterized better as language groups, rather than ethnic groups.

Nonetheless, from a genetic standpoint, there are some clusters in which non-Slavic speaking Eastern Europeans fit.

Hungarians group with the West Slavs, Romanians and Moldovans with the South Slavs, and Albanians with the Northern Greeks.

The Baltic states cluster between the Finns, Poles and Northwestern Russians.

Albanians also plot with Macedonians and aromianians

[dviz]

Hungarians cluster with Slovenians, which are classified as South Slavs, but are really their own thing genetically.

Polish cluster with Ukrainians and Southwest Russians, despite the former being West Slavic and the latter two being East Slavic. Polish language is West Slavic but West Slavic cluster doesn't exist in genetic terms.

Romanians don't cluster with all South Slavs, but more specifically with Bulgarians, so it would be more appropriate to call it East Balkan cluster.

Lithuanians and Latvians form a cluster on their own which is close to Belarusians, while Estonians cluster with North-Central Russians.

There are some differences depending on methodology of comparison (G25 or K36 for e.g.), but some things you wrote are wrong regardless of which tool is being used.

The distances were for K13.

Tbh I didn't pay great attention for Poles and Hungarians, but afair Eastern Poles cluster with Slovaks and Western Ukrainians, but overall, Poles cluster with the rest of the West Slavs.

In regards to Romanians, Wallachians and Moldovans cluster with Bulgarians, Banateans with Serbs, Transylvanians with Montenegrins, and Moldovans from RM with Bosnians - so it's very spread out, and not clustered specifically with Bulgarians.

[Kess]

, not necessarily to turkics, but especially refers to scythians (szittya)

[Aspirin]

The distances were for K13.

Tbh I didn't pay great attention for Poles and Hungarians, but afair Eastern Poles cluster with Slovaks and Western Ukrainians, but overall, Poles cluster with the rest of the West Slavs.

In regards to Romanians, Wallachians and Moldovans cluster with Bulgarians, Banateans with Serbs, Transylvanians with Montenegrins, and Moldovans from RM with Bosnians - so it's very spread out, and not clustered specifically with Bulgarians.

Romanian Moldovans don't plot with Bulgarians, only these from southern counties (Galați and Vrancea) are close to Bulgarians. Same for southern Moldovans from MD. They are on average very southern and many are Bulgarian like genetically do to mixing with Bulgarian/Gagauz colonists who live here, or just because of migration of some Wallachians from Braila area. Rest of Moldovans are not Bosniak genetically, more like Serbs or Bosnian Serbs on average.