Moors in Anglo-Saxon England?

[Davystayn]

Highly likely a descendent of a Roman soldier, people who garrisoned the edges were from right across the Empire.

Btw England didn't exist at the time of the Romans, it was all Welsh/Britain at the time.

[celticdragongod]

Couldn't resist!

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02503161 Irish:Irish37
0.04231473 Irish:Irish15
0.04359477 Norwegian:GSM1550659
0.26008565 England_Saxon_oAfrica.SG:EAS003.SG
0.45562788 Tunisian_DouzOUZ_11
0.53628212 Berber_Algeria:BerZN181

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.2403% / 0.02240326
77.0 Irish:Irish37
23.0 Norwegian:GSM1550659

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Highly likely a descendent of a Roman soldier, people who garrisoned the edges were from right across the Empire.

Btw England didn't exist at the time of the Romans, it was all Welsh/Britain at the time.

There's no way she can be a descendant of a Roman soldier. She lived 400 years after the Romans abandoned Britain, and to leave such a large contribution so many years later would mean that the impact was massive and extended to entire regions or ethnic groups and not just a very few individuals as in the case of EAS003. Furthermore, the most obvious mark that Roman colonizers in general would have left is the Eastern Mediterranean ancestry, omnipresent in Rome, but lacking in both present-day Britons and medieval samples.

[marco]

IBM is too low to be moorish roots.

Target: England_Saxon_oAfrica.SG:EAS003.SG
Distance: 2.5172% / 0.02517168
28.2 Anatolian_Neolithic
27.2 Steppe
22.2 SSA
11.4 Taforalt
6.4 WHG
4.6 Nilo-Saharian_Pastoralist

[Ajeje Brazorf]

IBM is too low to be moorish roots.

Target: England_Saxon_oAfrica.SG:EAS003.SG
Distance: 2.5172% / 0.02517168
28.2 Anatolian_Neolithic
27.2 Steppe
22.2 SSA
11.4 Taforalt
6.4 WHG
4.6 Nilo-Saharian_Pastoralist

Her parent was (maybe?) from the same background as BerZN181. Where in Algeria does this sample come from?

[Anglo-Celtic]

Yes, they made a big deal of one woman who was of part-African ancestry, buried alongside the others. I recall listening to a podcast with Duncan Sayer who talked about it. No mention of Moors.

The Blackwashing of history continues. You might as well cast Lucy Liu as Malcolm X for the same kind of historical "accuracy".

[CosmoLady]

Have any of you noticed this sample? It is half NW European and half Berber/SSA. How on earth did he end up in 8th century AD England? XD I am sure that it is not contamination or anything else; in fact, it is a sample with good coverage. Could it be misdated? Who knows...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2

How do you know the precise century? 750 is only the mean in a much larger time period, 400-1100.
750 is not more likely than 400

Probably this person was the descendant of a slave or a Roman soldier who mixed.
When the Roman empire was collapsing, Britain was stable and "still Roman" by comparison.

Black slaves were certainly rare in early mediaeval England,
due to a breakdown of the "global" commerce and political unity that existed during the Roman period.
There was slavery until 1100 I think, but the slaves were mostly destitute locals, not exotic Moors.

Black slaves or soldiers were probably somewhat rare even in Roman Britain because of the isolated location,
but this is much more possible!

For example, there is the story of Barates (a Syrian) who settled near Hadrian's Wall in the early 3rd century,
and he purchased, freed, and married a local slave woman (Regina),
and built an elaborate Syrian-style tomb for her when she died young.
Barates also died and was buried near Hadrian's Wall.

This was used by the Guardian and other woke press to say, "See, there has ALWAYS been Syrian migration to Britain!"

[CosmoLady]

She must have looked like this

This was from the Vikings TV series I think?

Now there were Black, Female, Horse-Riding Leaders in the time of the Vikings?
There is hardly one of these TODAY, never mind in 800 or 900.

This is how woke Hollywood ruined the series probably (which was too white and male otherwise).

They have to insert blacks and LGBTQ in everything, including making Queen Charlotte black (she was German),
making the King Arthur myth mostly black, Indian, occult/non-Christian, and Green in mediaeval England (The Green Knight),
and they even put a black in Darkest Hour when Churchill rides the Tube in 1939 London, when London was still 99% white.
Yes this is woke revisionism, the blackwashing of history

The Blackwashing of history continues. You might as well cast Lucy Liu as Malcolm X for the same kind of historical "accuracy".

When Scarlett Johansson was made to look Asian, and cast as an Asian character in Ghost in the Shell,
or Tilda Swinton was cast as an Asian character in Doctor Strange,
there was mainstream media outcry. But these are fictional characters.

Yet there is no mainstream media outcry when historical white figures are erased, and historical accuracy is ruined.

The replacement only goes one way. The woke elite is trying to replace and erase whites, especially males, this is obvious.

[Petalpusher]

The SSA is really high for half Moor, or the parent would have had to be on the extremely high end of it. It looks more like the offspring of something close to mulatto and native.

That Algerian Berber sample that was used left and right here, is like half SSA.

[CosmoLady]

The SSA high is really for half Moor, or the parent would have had to be on the extremely high end of it. It looks more like the offspring of something close to mulatto and native.

That Algerian Berber sample that was used left and right here, is like half SSA.

So maybe this is a descendant of a mixed person, just as Pushkin's great-grandfather was the first black man in Russia.

Logically I think that there was more trade and travel in the late Roman Empire than the early Middle Ages,
so the original mixing probably occurred then