Picts origins, genetically found out

[Anglo-Celtic]

I told a black person that I am European-American. That's because I am a blend that is too long to hyphenate.

Here's the difference to what our lone Irishman said. You added "American" to "European".

[Anglo-Celtic]

As far as I know they all considered themselves Irish, and were considered Irish in Britain at the time (18th, 19th and early 20th centuries), like other Anglo-Irish people (even the Duke of Wellington, to which Daniel O'Connell's famous quote is addressed). That may give an inkling as to why the 'Scots-Irish' also consider themselves Irish, whereas their cousins in Northern Ireland largely don't.

I always wondered if that quote applied to American states. I could be a Virginian who was born in Ohio, but how far back does it go? It's really and truly a moot point. I don't think I've had a purebred in the line since the 1800s, but even that Irish man had a "mixed marriage" with an English woman.

[celticdragongod]

I have a wee bit of ancestry from the North of Ireland and If my own family tree is anything to go by, there seems to have been a fair bit of mixing between Scots planters and native Irish, I've got Scottish proddies marrying women with the surnames Donnelly, Daly, McLaughlin, Malley ect going way back, I think the term Scots-Irish isn't totally inaccurate as that's exactly what a lot of them were, a mixture of Scots and Irish, obviously they were mixed to various degrees, and religion would tend to determine identity more so than ancestry.

This reminds me of white Americans who like to claim that they have Native American ancestry and white Australians who like to believe that they have Australian Aboriginal ancestors. Colonists often try to downplay their colonial heritage.

[Anglo-Celtic]

This reminds me of white Americans who like to claim that they have Native American ancestry and white Australians who like to believe that they have Australian Aboriginal ancestors. Colonists often try to downplay their colonial heritage.

Some do. I'm very cool with being of European colonial stock unlike the Marxists who cry when they find out that Grandma was wrong about having Injun blood from Princess Sacawatha.

[Andullero]

Unlikely. Most "Scots Irish" or "Ulster Scots" are actually descended from Lowland and Border Scots. Most of them would have a mixture of Scottish and English ancestry. Scots-English would actually be a more appropriate title.

You don't consider the Scots still attached to their Gaelic heritage as your kin?

[celticdragongod]

You don't consider the Scots still attached to their Gaelic heritage as your kin?

Recent genetic research would indicate that i am descended from the Bell Beakers of the Netherlands. This doesn't make me Dutch.

[frankhammer]

I think Scotch-Irish is an acceptable term in context as it’s understood to be a sub-set of the Ulster Scots. The culture and local dialect of the American descendants distilled in such a way as to become a distinct sub-group. They’re not speaking Lowland Scots or whatever anymore, but what is now American English dialects.

In itself “Scotch-Irish” is a little bit of a funny term, but everyone by this point knows what we’re talking about when using that phrase.

Scotch reminds me of scotch egg or pie.

[Anglo-Celtic]

Recent genetic research would indicate that i am descended from the Bell Beakers of the Netherlands. This doesn't make me Dutch.

So, it doesn't make me European just because I descend from Europeans. I'm glad that we agree now.

[Albannach]

This reminds me of white Americans who like to claim that they have Native American ancestry and white Australians who like to believe that they have Australian Aboriginal ancestors. Colonists often try to downplay their colonial heritage.

It's not even remotely similar, Scots and Irish have been intermixing for thousands of years, even before there was such a thing as a Scot or Irishman, if you want to talk about colonists, Scotland itself was colonized by the Irish, it was Irish colonization that directly led to the extermination of Pictish culture.

And it isn't claims, intermarriage is verifiably backed up by records, I don't think there was much danger of the Scot planters romanticizing the Irish in the way that Americans romanticize the native Americans.

[celticdragongod]

It's not even remotely similar, Scots and Irish have been intermixing for thousands of years, even before there was such a thing as a Scot or Irishman, if you want to talk about colonists, Scotland itself was colonized by the Irish, it was Irish colonization that directly led to the extermination of Pictish culture.

And it isn't claims, intermarriage is verifiably backed up by records, I don't think there was much danger of the Scot planters romanticizing the Irish in the way that Americans romanticize the native Americans.

From what I understand, the Dalriada Irish invaders were never anything more than a minority in Scotland. Kind of like how the Normans were a minority in Britain. The way I understand it, most Scots are descended from Brittonic Celts, not Gaelic ones.