Proof to me Turks are (part) Greek.

**Kess** · 01-23-2024, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Just for fun, coordinates are from an outdated datasheet.

Code:

Anatolian:TUR_IA,0.08992,0.060932,-0.009428,-0.032946,-0.022158,-0.013945,0.003055,0.006,-0.020861,-0.004009,-0.003573,0.000749,0.012636,0.002615,-0.001357,-0.001724,0.006519,0.006208,0.004148,-0.002001,-0.004617,0.001978,-0.002835,0.00012,-0.002036
Greece:Cycladic_EBA,0.1155305,0.1675625,-0.0194215,-0.0805885,0.018773,-0.0352795,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.00634,0.049386,0.005846,0.014837,-0.0231165,0.006468,-0.026126,-0.0061655,0.0157115,0.003927,0.008485,-0.010192,-0.010107,-0.003462,0.001109,0.0046395,-0.0026345
Greece:GRC_MBA,0.1217905,0.147252,0.0220615,-0.0134045,0.024312,-0.0051595,-0.00188,-0.0013845,-0.001125,0.0181325,0.0026795,0.009067,-0.0133795,-0.0006195,-0.0108575,-0.0116015,-0.0042375,-0.003674,0.0040225,-0.009692,-0.0107935,0.001731,0.005854,0.003615,-0.003892
Greece:Helladic_EBA,0.1161,0.176702,-0.000377,-0.091086,0.029236,-0.033188,-0.00423,-0.007846,0.027406,0.065241,0.002436,0.01169,-0.019921,0.004954,-0.030401,-0.019888,0.010691,0.003294,0.006662,-0.020635,-0.010482,0.002597,0.000863,0.007591,-0.003592
Greece:Minoan_Kephala_Petras,0.1161,0.170609,-0.018479,-0.091732,0.028005,-0.033188,0.003995,-0.002769,0.021066,0.060685,0.00747,0.007643,-0.01665,0.010046,-0.03583,-0.02254,0,0.005954,0.009176,-0.009755,-0.009483,0.006059,-0.006902,-0.004217,0.002395
Greece:Minoan_Lassithi,0.1192866,0.170609,-0.0181772,-0.093993,0.0295438,-0.0398256,-0.001316,-0.0034614,0.0103488,0.0598102,0.0029878,0.0153164,-0.0251238,-5.48e-05,-0.0374586,-0.0109518,0.0173934,-0.0012414,0.0088742,-0.0136316,-0.0133764,0.0083836,-0.0050776,-0.0010604,-0.0024428
Greece:Minoan_Odigitria_low_res,0.123688,0.1811027,-0.0082967,-0.0885023,0.038366,-0.0422983,-0.00235,-0.0053073,0.0141807,0.0621427,0.0073073,0.0041963,-0.0233397,-0.0028443,-0.0308987,0.0027843,0.0138207,0.0005913,0.02074,-0.0170497,0.0017887,0.0051933,-0.0092023,0.0041773,-0.008183
Greece:Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185
Balkan_East&Northeast:BGR_MLBA,0.125205,0.103584,0.050911,0.082688,0.00277,0.031794,-0.00094,0.004846,-0.025361,-0.035718,-0.005846,-0.000599,-0.005203,-0.023671,0.029316,0.021082,0.009518,-0.001014,-0.001885,0.002501,-0.000749,-0.001607,0.005546,0.011086,0.000599
Balkan_East&Northeast:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Caucasus:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Caucasus:ARM_LBA,0.100544,0.122879,-0.0314267,-0.0117357,-0.035699,0.0013017,0.00376,-0.0116917,-0.0465633,-0.0213217,-0.0052507,0.002348,-0.005996,-0.0046333,0.0093197,-0.005878,-0.0009127,0.000718,0.002011,0.0056277,-0.0056567,-0.0014427,0.0077647,-0.0022893,0.002954
Caucasus:ARM_Lchashen_MBA,0.102441,0.112724,-0.0397865,-0.0166345,-0.0426235,-0.0073905,0.00094,-0.0075,-0.044484,-0.0229615,0.0103115,0.005845,-0.0043855,-0.0057115,0.006379,0.0034475,0.013234,0.000317,0.00044,0.0031265,-0.0008735,-0.001917,-0.003204,0.003916,-0.0011975
Caucasus:ARM_MBA,0.103579,0.1223715,-0.031678,-0.013243,-0.0350835,-0.0027885,0.00329,-0.0065765,-0.053585,-0.0188615,0.004141,0,-0.007656,0.00172,0.0139115,-0.000265,0.0008475,-0.003674,0.000566,-0.000125,0.005428,0.0012985,0.005423,-0.0007835,0.000958
Turkic:MNG_EIA_5,0.079676,-0.125926,0.039221,0.044251,-0.050163,0.003904,-0.000705,0.002538,-0.026179,-0.01877,-0.022897,-0.005095,-0.004311,-0.020368,0.016422,0.018563,0.004172,0.002534,-0.000377,-0.001,-0.014225,0.000989,-0.000493,-0.000482,0.003113

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.1775% / 0.01177450
46.2 Caucasus
32.2 Anatolian
17.8 Greece
3.6 Turkic
0.2 Balkan_East&Northeast

**Incal** · 01-23-2024, 12:30 AM

To me, turkish identity share similarities with mexicans, or to be precise, with chicano identity: both are groups of mixed people who think nationality is a race.

**Voskos** · 01-23-2024, 12:40 AM

Analysis: FullAnalysis
Number of individuals: 17
Conclusion: One date
Estimated date (95% CI): 1250CE (1166CE - 1362CE)
Estimated proportion: 0.08
View: mixing coefficients

Side 1 (Mongola-like)
Mongola (3.7%)
Oroqen (1.3%)
Hazara (0.6%)
Naxi (0.4%)
Yakut (0.4%)
Miao (0.3%)
Hezhen (0.3%)
Daur (0.2%)
Maya (0.2%)
Burusho (0.2%)
Brahui (0.1%)
Colombian (0.1%) (no curves)
Papuan (0.1%) (no curves)
Pima (0.1%) (no curves)
Indian (0.0%) (no curves)
Karitiana (0.0%) (no curves)
Surui (0.0%) (no curves)
Melanesian (0.0%) (no curves)

Side 2 (Iranian-like)
Greek (11.1%)
Armenian (9.9%)
Iranian (8.5%)
Georgian (7.4%)
WestSicilian (7.0%)
Cypriot (6.2%)
SouthItalian (6.1%)
Adygei (5.7%)
Syrian (5.4%)
Jordanian (4.2%)
Pathan (3.5%)
Lezgin (3.5%)
GermanyAustria (2.8%)
NorthItalian (2.7%)
Tuscan (1.3%)
Balochi (1.2%)
Sindhi (0.9%)
Druze (0.9%)
Palestinian (0.7%)
Bedouin (0.6%)
Saudi (0.6%)
Burusho (0.4%)
Makrani (0.4%)
Russian (0.3%)
UAE (0.3%)
Kalash (0.2%)
IndianJew (0.1%)
Sardinian (0.1%)

"A genetic atlas of human admixture history", Hellenthal et al, Science (2014).

**Kess** · 01-23-2024, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Incal

To me, turkish identity share similarities with mexicans, or to be precise, with chicano identity: both are groups of mixed people who think nationality is a race.

Turks are on castizo range rather than mestizo.

**Jingle Bell** · 01-23-2024, 12:47 AM

in my opinion before Turkey be called Turkey, it was called Byzantine Empire, a Empire based in Greco-Roman continuity, most notably Greek, even before Byzantine Empire the Anatolia were alr part of Greek world, and as "Greeks" were in multiples groups like Myceneans, Minoas they also had the Anatolian Greeks, Troy and Miletus were great cities in Greek Anatolia and part of Graeco world.
Greek presence in Anatolia can not be denied, Istanbul be called Constantinople once its just one more proof of the historical Greco-Anatolian relantionship

**Incal** · 01-23-2024, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by kessaras

Turks are on castizo range rather than mestizo.

I was not talking about proportions but about the fact that not all turks are the same racially speaking.

**DomitiusAurelian** · 01-23-2024, 12:42 PM

Native Anatolians are not genetically Greek. Anatolian Turks are 50-70% Native Anatolian and 25-45% Medieval Turkic on average. It really is that simple. Mycenaean (Bronze Age Greek) DNA is almost non-existent among ethnic Turks.

**Eurafricanid** · 01-23-2024, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by DomitiusAurelian

Native Anatolians are not genetically Greek. Anatolian Turks are 50-70% Native Anatolian and 25-45% Medieval Turkic on average. It really is that simple. Mycenaean (Bronze Age Greek) DNA is almost non-existent among ethnic Turks.

Which samples did you use in the first calculator? Also are you saying that Anatolian Greeks and Aegean Greeks have no Greek Admixture? Also, Roman Anatolians were most likely already Greek-influenced.