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    Default High Jewish IQ Debunked



    As a follow up to my last video, where many tried to excuse the level of Jewish over-representation on Joe Rogan's podcast by claiming they are simply more intelligent.

    0:00 - Intro
    1:12 - Argument Breakdown
    3:01 - Scientific Studies
    3:25 - Backman (1972)
    4:31 - Levinson (1957)
    5:46 - Lynn (2003)
    8:08 - MacDonald
    9:40 - Storfer (1990)
    12:49 - Herrnstein + Murray
    13:08 - Studies Conclusion
    13:30 - Explanations for High IQ
    13:40 - The Nurture Argument
    14:41 - Talmudic Explanation
    16:21 - Oppression Explanation
    19:35 - How IQ works
    21:32 - Nobel Prizes
    23:10 - Chess
    24:23 - Misc Points
    26:51 - Israeli IQ
    28:32 - Faked Studies Possibility
    29:39 - Even if Claims are True
    31:58 - Conclusion

    SOURCES CITED:
    [1]: Backman, M. E. (1972) Patterns of mental abilities: ethnic, socioeconomic, and sex differences. American Educational Research Journal 9,1–12.
    [2]: Levinson, B. M. (1957). The intelligence of applicants for admission to Jewish day schools.
    [3]: Richard Lynn (2003), “The Intelligence of American Jews,” Personality and Individual Differences.
    [4]: MacDonald, K. B. (2002). A people that shall dwell alone: Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy, with Diaspora Peoples. Writers Club Press.
    [5]: Storfer, M. D. (1990). Intelligence and giftedness: The contributions of heredity and early environment. Jossey-Bass.
    [5.1]: Ramsden S, Richardson FM, Josse G, Thomas MS, Ellis C, Shakeshaft C, Seghier ML, Price CJ. Verbal and non-verbal intelligence changes in the teenage brain. Nature. 2011 Oct 19;479(7371):113-6. doi: 10.1038/nature10514. Erratum in: Nature. 2012 May 31;485(7400):666. PMID: 22012265; PMCID: PMC3672949.
    [5.2]: Lynn, R. (2011). The chosen people: A study of jewish intelligence and achievement. Washington Summit Publishers.
    [6]: Herrnstein, R. J., & Murray, C. A. (1997). The bell curve: Intelligence and class structure in American Life. Free Press.
    [7]: Cochran G, Hardy J, Harpending H. Natural history of Ashkenazi intelligence. J Biosoc Sci. 2006 Sep;38(5):659-93. doi: 10.1017/S0021932005027069. PMID: 16867211.
    [8]: Botticini, Maristella; Eckstein, Zvi (2004) : Jewish Occupational Selection :
    Education, Restrictions, or Minorities?, IZA Discussion Papers, No. 1224, Institute for the Study
    of Labor (IZA), Bonn
    [9]: Daniel Klein, The Islamic and Jewish Laws of Usury: A Bridge to Commercial Growth and Peace in the
    Middle East, 23 Denv. J. Int'l L. & Pol'y 535 (1995)
    [10]: Micceri, T. (1989). The unicorn, the normal curve, and other improbable creatures. Psychological Bulletin, 105(1), 156–166. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.105...
    [11]: https://math.stackexchange.com/questi... (*Not citing the wikipedia page. This is not a scholarly paper, but offers a great easy to understand explanation of how test scores are normalized for IQ.)
    [12]:

    • Top 10 Chess Grandmaster Hikaru takes... - GM Nakamura scores a 102 on an IQ test. Sure this is just an online test, but they do ask questions which are similar to the more "official" IQ tests out there. Surely this is enough to give us an idea of what his "true IQ" might be. I am not taking away anything from Nakamura, who is great, I'm only showing the flaw in the argument that success in chess implies high IQ.
    [13]: Transcript of an interview which can be found here [

    • Bobby Fischer on Paul Morphy and how ... ]. Bobby fischer talking about how chess has had the soul taken out of it by the over reliance on theory and opening moves.
    [14]: Merim Bilalić, Peter McLeod, Fernand Gobet, Does chess need intelligence? — A study with young chess players, Intelligence, Volume 35, Issue 5, 2007, Pages 457-470, ISSN 0160-2896,
    [15]: DAVID, H., & LYNN, R. (2007). INTELLIGENCE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EUROPEAN AND ORIENTAL JEWS IN ISRAEL. Journal of Biosocial Science, 39(3), 465-473. doi:10.1017/S0021932006001660


    Wake up and smell the coffee.

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    I read ashkenazi jews have a high verbal IQ like 125, and average non verbal IQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by tita View Post
    I read ashkenazi jews have a high verbal IQ like 125, and average non verbal IQ
    That high figure is just from one Yeshiva study by Boris M. Levinson.

    Levinson found a median verbal IQ of 125.6, median performance IQ of IQ of 103.3, and median full scale IQ of 117.86 among a limited Yeshiva sample that is likely not representative of Ashkenazi Jews in the West overall. Backman studying 1236 Jewish American high school students in 1972 found a verbal score of 107.8. Lynn estimated a 7.5 point verbal IQ advantage of American Jews over non-Jewish Whites overall based on WORDSUM vocabulary test on the American General Social Survey (GSS). Any possible difference with performance in verbal subtests between representative samples of Jews and non-Jewish whites is fairly moderate rather than drastic. Not enough to make their median FSIQ for comprehensive IQ tests like the WAIS higher than Northeast Asians given other subtests being generally lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tita View Post
    I read ashkenazi jews have a high verbal IQ like 125, and average non verbal IQ
    This is what I've also read. Makes sense, good talkers make for good businessmen. Unlike myself, I am a terrible public speaker and never to good at business.

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    It's not debunked. The guy Leather Apron Club or whatever he calls himself consistenly gets things wrong.



    As Bronski points out even with a higher average IQ Ashkenazi Jews are overrepresented than they should be with such a higher average IQ.

    It can both be true that they have a higher average IQ AND there is ethnic nepotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post




    Only have an average IQ of 103”. Lol bro debunked Jewish IQ by giving them a high IQ.. smh.

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