Which side of Europe is the real Europe?

[Your Old Comrade]

Fuck. Europe survived the Fall of the Roman Empire and the Great Migrations, it survived war after famine after epidemic., the Black Death couldn't snuff us out, the Thirty Years War ? We scarcely remember. The Napoleonic Wars ? Essentially forgotten ? Who talks now of the 1840-1848 famines ? World War I and II. We crawled back on our feet in under 10 years. Europe survived two superpowers with nuclear weapons pointing at each other for forty years and you guys believe that Europe is done ? Ooh dear. No, dammit, when this system comes down, we'll take it back.

[Blondie]

even the magyars themselves are not really europeans but arabo-persan tribes form the far eastern orient

Are you on drugs right?

[Your Old Comrade]

Are you on drugs right?

They were Finno-Ugric.. But hey wth. I looked it up and at least 60% of ethnic Hungarians still have this on their arse when they are born:



They call that a Mongolian spot. It's quite rare on ethnic 100% actual Europeans. No shame in it, but he has a point.

[coolfrenchguy]

Are you on drugs right?

The origin of the word 'magyar' is relatively unknown. Among the most acceptable although unfounded theories, there is one which says that of the seven Hungarian tribes which settled in Pannonia, the ruling tribe was called Megyer, one of the forms of the autoethnonym.

The first mention of the Magyar ethnonym is found in Arab-Persian chronicles around 870, in the form مجغرية maǧġirīya. The related proper name Mogyer(i) is found in Greek from the 6th century in the form Μοῦγελ [muɣel] and around 810-815 in the form Μουάγερι(ν) [muaɣeri]3.

If the name of the Hungarians most probably comes from the Onoğurs, a Turkic-speaking people from the north of the Black Sea whom the Magyar tribes met and assimilated in the 9th century in Etelköz, on the eve of settling in the great Hungarian plain, it exists in most of Western European languages ​​an ambiguity dating from the Middle Ages: this asserts that 'Hungarian' comes from the Huns, and Hunnic names such as 'Attila' (the greatest of the Hunnic chiefs) and 'Reka' (a queen Hunnic) are still very popular in Hungary, although these two first names are in fact of Gothic origin4.

[Blondie]

They were Finno-Ugric.. But hey wth. I looked it up and at least 60% of ethnic Hungarians still have this on their arse when they are born:
They call that a Mongolian spot. It's quite rare on ethnic 100% actual Europeans. No shame in it, but he has a point.

So the mongol spot proves that hungarians are arabs? This thing proves that hungarians have a very distant asian ancestry just like other finno-ugrians. The modern hungarian genetic is located almost in the middle of european genetic map. Pre-hungarians are different, they were not europeans, but we live in 21. century.

[Your Old Comrade]

So the mongol spot proves that hungarians are arabs? This thing proves that hungarians have a very distant asian ancestry just like other finno-ugrians. The modern hungarian genetic is located almost in the middle of european genetic map. Pre-hungarians are different, they were not europeans, but we live in 21. century.

No. Finno-Ugric. With the language, it's just one of the last traces of those roots.

[Blondie]

The first mention of the Magyar ethnonym is found in Arab-Persian chronicles around 870, in the form مجغرية maǧġirīya. The related proper name Mogyer(i) is found in Greek from the 6th century in the form Μοῦγελ [muɣel] and around 810-815 in the form Μουάγερι(ν) [muaɣeri]3.

It proves that arab travellers visited East Europe at this time, but pre hungarians were not arabs lol The first mention of abos came from dutch or british, does it mean that australian aboriginals are ethnic dutch/british?

[Your Old Comrade]

It proves that arab travellers visited East Europe at this time, but pre hungarians were not arabs lol The first mention of abos came from dutch or british, does it mean that australian aboriginals are ethnic dutch/british?

I think the first description actually comes from the Tasman expedition.

[Nurzat]

cannot compare and no one is more Euro than the other but if anything the West is because the East is also Oriental, while the West isn't.

but I would have also answered Roman Empire and Persian Empire and their directly derived societies them being the exponents of West and East, the other Western and Eastern civilizations being offshoots of them

[kingmob]

stuff

Small correction, most of the stuff you call as 'oriental' for our lands are actually native and not a product of Islamic rule.

And, yes, the Occidental is not compatible with the Oriental, however the 'migrant crisis' waves are shaped by central policy in Brussels and not because of the peripheral countries like Greece taking it upon themselves to facilitate such an endevor.

Migrant flows are fueled by money from Brussels not Athens, the latter is merely following through with the orders coming from the former.