Tucker Carlson is interviewing Vladimir Putin

[dviz]

Again, I can't understand people who enjoy mocking Russia for "not being able to conquer Ukraine" at the same time busy with fearmongering with Russian tanks in Poland, Baltic states, Hungary, NATO member states. I think such people are retards any communication with whom is a waste of time.

Russia of today can't take Avdiivka after one year of intense fighting. For those who don't know, Avdiivka is a suburb of Donetsk, the largest city Russia has annexed in Ukraine since 2014. Russia should have repelled the Ukrainians a long time ago, but couldn't.

However, looking just at this poor performance is misleading. Russia is gearing for war, and has been doing that since 2008 (more intensely since 2012). It's still not a wartime economy, but it is already producing a lot of expensive equipment (about 500 ballistic missiles per year at current rate, for instance).

In short, Russia is playing the long game. It expects it can outlast the Western help given to Ukraine. This is not a bad calculus - that may very well happen. Without help, Ukraine collapses, and so can the rest of Eastern Europe. And then you have Russia knocking on the door in the West.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Can you explain why? You sound like a true connoisseur in all things Eastern European.

Lack of manpower and the ill will of the people. The reason why the Soviets were able to have sattelite states in Eastern Europe is because these nations were devastated by the war and they could count on a significant portion of the armed population to back them.

That's obviously the opposite of today.

If Russia takes Eastern Europe once again it will be a complete catastrophe for the entire West.

How would the US be negatively affected?

This Russia won't be a replay of the communist regime teetering on the edge of bankruptcy every year. It will be a militaristic uniparty rule with a capitalist economy, much like China.

Am I supposr to care?

Consider that, although the West won economically the Cold War, it would have likely lost a hot conflict. The Soviets and their allies had about a 5 to 1 numerical advantage in equipment and an endless supply of conscripts.

No, they would have lost a hot war and if they were able to win then what does that have to do with Russia 2024?

Now, add China to this mix. The West is royally fucked if it lets a block of China + Russia + Eastern Europe form. This block would comprise most of manufacturing capacity in the world. Not even a 50% defense budget would be sufficient to face a threat of this size. This idea that the conflict in Ukraine does not concern the Americans is 100% autistic.

Chinese soldiers got beat up by Indians, dude.

China as with Russia would win a defensive war but not an offensive war.

The war in Ukraine is a (((Neo-Con))) project. What happens there doesn't concern us. It does not conflict with our real national interests.

[dviz]

Lack of manpower and the ill will of the people. The reason why the Soviets were able to have sattelite states in Eastern Europe is because these nations were devastated by the war and they could count on a significant portion of the armed population to back them.

That's obviously the opposite of today.

Anywhere in the world, regular people don't want to fight a war.

Add to this the total debacle of the plandemic and inflation that followed, and a lot of Eastern Europeans are receptive today to Russian messaging. Not many would oppose a Russian invasion with a rifle in hand. The reason why Ukrainians are still in this war is because Russia invaded in 2014 unprepared to take the whole Ukraine. Today Ukrainians are hardened and ready to fight to the end of the resources available to them, but that's not the case with the rest of Eastern Europe, not even in the most Russophobic countries.

If Russia takes Eastern Europe once again it will be a complete catastrophe for the entire West.

Am I supposr to care?

No man, you're supposed to nap till the end of days.

No, they would have lost a hot war and if they were able to win then what does that have to do with Russia 2024?

The war in Ukraine shows two things:
1. The Soviets had such an enormous numerical superiority in equipment in the 1980s that couldn't have been overcome by the quality of Western equipment. Soviets alone had 25,000 tanks. Add to this the Warsaw pact tanks. And about 10,000 jets. There was nothing in the West to deal with this amount of equipment.

2. 1980s Soviet equipment was actually quite good. Even an old system like Buk keeps much newer planes at bay. Because of those 1980s AA systems, Russia can't establish any sort of superiority in the air, despite Ukraine not really having an air force.

Chinese soldiers got beat up by Indians, dude.

Sure, they're crap now. But they can throw as many soldiers as needed to be effective.

China as with Russia would win a defensive war but not an offensive war.

There's some truth in this regarding China. But Russia has a long history of successful offensive wars. And even China did well in Korea.

The war in Ukraine is a (((Neo-Con))) project. What happens there doesn't concern us. It does not conflict with our real national interests.

Russia occupying Eastern Europe is against American interests.

[gixajo]

Russia occupying Eastern Europe is against American interests.

He does nothing more than say that nothing that happens in Ukraine or Europe should concern him or his country, however he has an unusual interest and continually does nothing more than intervene in issues related to something that according to him does not affect him in any way.

[dviz]

He does nothing more than say that nothing that happens in Ukraine or Europe should concern him or his country, however he has an unusual interest and continually does nothing more than intervene in issues related to something that according to him does not affect him in any way.

Ikr, the thread about the least concerning conflict in the history of man is the longest on this forum (except for the Member's pictures thread).

[Loki]

Russia of today can't take Avdiivka after one year of intense fighting. For those who don't know, Avdiivka is a suburb of Donetsk, the largest city Russia has annexed in Ukraine since 2014. Russia should have repelled the Ukrainians a long time ago, but couldn't.

However, looking just at this poor performance is misleading. Russia is gearing for war, and has been doing that since 2008 (more intensely since 2012). It's still not a wartime economy, but it is already producing a lot of expensive equipment (about 500 ballistic missiles per year at current rate, for instance).

In short, Russia is playing the long game. It expects it can outlast the Western help given to Ukraine. This is not a bad calculus - that may very well happen. Without help, Ukraine collapses, and so can the rest of Eastern Europe. And then you have Russia knocking on the door in the West.

They're taking Avdiivka as we speak. It was heavily entrenched since 2014, but the Ukrainians are now forced to retreat or face a repeat of Mariupol and Bakhmut.

[gixajo]

Ikr, the thread about the least concerning conflict in the history of man is the longest on this forum (except for the Member's pictures thread).

I understand that he loves his country and he is aligned with the position of a certain political sector of his country so without to avoid accepting that he is a "traitor to his country" going against his country interests, he uses the mental trick of saying "none of all this is really concern us." ."

The other trick is the opposite, to say: "this affects us a lot, we have to put an end to all this, and stop supporting Ukraine so that Russia gets what it wanted and thus the war ends."

That would be a magnificent way to solve everything if we were absolutely certain that Russia will be satisfied with what he has just now and will not continue, but unfortunately Russia offers very little credibility regarding its intentions.

Well this is not Russia's will this is Putin's will.

[lei.talk]

9:40 - Tucker Carlson to interview Vladimir Putin

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..."I know where I come from.
Where do all you zombies come from?"

[Smitty]

He does nothing more than say that nothing that happens in Ukraine or Europe should concern him or his country, however he has an unusual interest and continually does nothing more than intervene in issues related to something that according to him does not affect him in any way.

Well, the war is affecting us in this moment because the establishment wants to steal taxpayer money and give it to people across an ocean and a continent from us. It's also pretty obvious that certain people would like to see us fully involved in this foreign conflict. So yeah, it absolutely is affecting us, but it has nothing to do with us at the same time.

What you two seem to be forgetting is we've been through this before ... in Vietnam, in the Persian Gulf, in Bosnia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Syria, and now in the Ukraine. And they always tell us how much of a pressing interest we have in going to war. And they always tell the families of the war dead what a sacrifice was made for America in travelling thousands of miles to nose our way into some petty, tribal warfare. It's tiring, it's (almost always) a bald-faced lie, and Americans have had enough of it. It took so, so, so much more to convince our ancestors to go to war in 1916 and 1941. But that was before there was a whole industry and an unconstitutional, multi-million large federal government that could take us to war whether we wanted it or not.

[gixajo]

Well, the war is affecting us in this moment because the establishment wants to steal taxpayer money and give it to people across an ocean and a continent from us. It's also pretty obvious that certain people would like to see us fully involved in this foreign conflict. So yeah, it absolutely is affecting us, but it has nothing to do with us at the same time.

What you two seem to be forgetting is we've been through this before ... in Vietnam, in the Persian Gulf, in Bosnia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Syria, and now in the Ukraine. And they always tell us how much of a pressing interest we have in going to war. And they always tell the families of the war dead what a sacrifice was made for America in travelling thousands of miles to nose our way into some petty, tribal warfare. It's tiring, it's (almost always) a bald-faced lie, and Americans have had enough of it. It took so, so, so much more to convince our ancestors to go to war in 1916 and 1941. But that was before there was a whole industry and an unconstitutional, multi-million large federal government that could take us to war whether we wanted it or not.

I don't know how you can be so shortsighted, but hey, I'm starting to think that maybe it might even be good to put an end to Anglo hegemony once and for all.

Every time I read some Americans I like the Russians better.