Why don't women like good men?

[HarveySuits]

@DamCz

Mos e prish terezine bro, is all good, per muhabet jemi ktu. Ka dhe me keq se ajo

Feichi got a special place in my heart, even when she talks shit she got my attention

[Cybele]

To every girl that says "Just be nice to us" the response should be how trash like Richard Ramirez got showered with love letters and grown women fighting outside of court rooms over who loved him the most. Ted Bundy, Jeremy Meeks...the list goes on. Just because Ramirez and Meeks were/are very handsome and Bundy was charismatic.

Ramirez and Bundy's attractiveness and charisma are overblown.
Ramirez:

Spoiler!

Bundy was a very insecure guy, shy, and isolated. His first girlfriend, who came from a well-off family left him, so he dreamt of improving his status and impress her. He managed to do so, reconquered her, and dumped her as revenge.
He was articulated, but his charisma was just a well crafted façade, underneath of which he was hiding all his frustrations. A fake.

These women who form groupies and shower murderers with attention and love suffer from a condition: Hybristophilia
It goes deeper than attraction to the physical aspect and superficial charisma of the criminal. These women tend to have psychological issues of their own. Factors include low self-esteem, the lack of a father figure, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

[tropicalslavic]

apparently not

You're on my dream blunt rotation now

[Laredo]

You're on my dream blunt rotation now

Cool! C:

[oszkar07]

Ramirez and Bundy's attractiveness and charisma are overblown.
Ramirez:
Bundy was a very insecure guy, shy, and isolated. His first girlfriend, who came from a well-off family left him, so he dreamt of improving his status and impress her. He managed to do so, reconquered her, and dumped her as revenge.
He was articulated, but his charisma was just a well crafted façade, underneath of which he was hiding all his frustrations. A fake.
These women who form groupies and shower murders with attention and love suffer from a condition: Hybristophilia
It goes deeper than attraction to the physical aspect and superficial charisma of the criminal. These women tend to have psychological issues of their own. Factors include low self-esteem, the lack of a father figure, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

To some extent society holds fascination and admires or celebrates Apex Predators.
How Sharks and Crocodiles are feared but in a strange way held in awe.

I knew an attractive girl who had a fascination and love for Sharks, she went to several Shark encounter centres.
I mean I can see how Big Cats like Leopards.Panthers etc can be seen as beautiful creatures but a shark -not really.

There is a theory I heard as to why some women have a thing for serial killers.
It refers to some evolutionary concept relating to the historical era when life was very brutal before humans socially evolved to having more humanistic societies.

In those times life was brutal and there were those men in the tribe that would kill other men either for need of conquering and taking food or valued possesions or in competition to be tribe alphas or in self defense.
The idea of the theory is that doing something like killing is not something all men could do easily so the men that were able to do it had some value and this meant that they were of value to attract women for survival. This is just a theory I read somewhere I don't necessarily believe.

Serial killers kill for their own twisted pleasure-compulsions and many or most of them had some type of mental health or personality disorder condition.

A dangerous unpredictable individual like that has little use for modern society in most respects although maybe some serve purpose in military context, but not so much in first world countries where being in military requires a lot of cooperation and robotic behaviours.

But there would be humans that exist in society today whom are in some cases quite succesful in their jobs whom are not that different to some of those serial killers.

For sure to some extent vocations like the military attract some individuals who just have a blood lust and want to go to war and kill. There are individuals whom in their vocations as military operatives or special intelligence operatives as part of their job they torture people and they do contracted hits. I mean obviously such jobs attract a certain type of person.

Even the Vikings had amongst them a group of warriors called the Berzerkers whom were just psychotic animalistic warrior killers they were so dangerous even the Vikings themselves had to have them chained up.
Society to some extent celebrates brutal killers and rapists in the sense of the study of historical
warriors like the Vikings, Huns, Mongols, etc are held in awe and in a way its understandable because these groups were able to take Political control over vast amounts of territory. But to a large extent these groups were made up of murderers and rapists ... that is the nature of war or conquering in those era's.

All humans would have some distant ancestors that most likely killed and raped , as much as it is not a palatable thought for many it is reality, we are all descended from some demented men somewhere in our lineage from times when life was much more brutal or even times of major wars.

[Cybele]

There is a theory I heard as to why some women have a thing for serial killers.
It refers to some evolutionary concept relating to the historical era when life was very brutal before humans socially evolved to having more humanistic societies.

In those times life was brutal and there were those men in the tribe that would kill other men either for need of conquering and taking food or valued possesions or in competition to be tribe alphas or in self defense.
The idea of the theory is that doing something like killing is not something all men could do easily so the men that were able to do it had some value and this meant that they were of value to attract women for survival. This is just a theory I read somewhere I don't necessarily believe.

Makes sense. When survival was at stake, women who lived in a tribe for example, preferred those men who were most dominant/alpha. Those who could keep at bay their opponents and defend themselves, no matter if that meant killing other men. And who could bring the food on the table. Because such dominant men, could protect them and their children of exterior threads, and be better providers.

But these serial killers like Bundy or Ramirez are not that type, and that is why is strange that some women are attracted to them. They did not killed other men, to get higher on some social hierarchy or to defend themselves, in fact their victims were mostly women and even some small girls. Both Body and Ramirez were pedophiles.

So why would a woman become attracted to a murderer, who in other circumstances, would have no trouble raping and killing her? Or her female child? I think it’s pathological.

It is argued that the female erotic mind is turned on, at least at unconscious level, by the idea of surrendering to a powerful male figure because of its riskiness. And that the female will tame at some point, the male aggression. Maybe its all because this evolutionary mechanism. But with killer, pedophile psychos, this does not apply.

Some women can be attracted by the way these serial killers look, or by their superficial charisma, but if they overlook their crimes and entertain fantasies about romantic involvement, it’s clear sign, that there is something wrong going in their head.

There can be plenty of reasons. As I mentioned, some of them are: self-delusion, low self-esteem, no father figure, loneliness, fanaticism, seeing these murderers as small boys who need “nurturing”, some are plain narcissists who enjoy the attention that comes with being involved with such men, etc.

This hardwiring of looking for a dominant/ powerful male figures can still resurface in some women, although times have changed. But as I’ve stated, in the case of being attracted serial killers/ convicted criminals, is pathological

The fantasy that seems to be operating in such devotees, and that constitutes the plot of virtually all erotic/romantic novels written with women in mind, is that the “misogyny and jerkdom” they might have to battle within such super-dominant males is only temporary. That it doesn’t really represent the man’s innermost reality. That his violence and lack of tender feelings is only the beginning of the story, and that their unsparing love, affection, and dedication can ultimately transform his character by helping him get in touch with his, well, “inner goo.”

And what this suggests is that while those who fall for serial killers may represent a pathological exaggeration of a female’s erotic mind, many women (at least secretly, or subliminally) can’t help but be drawn toward cold-blooded, controlling, “bad boys” whose dominance symbolizes quite the opposite of what in relationships they’re consciously seeking.

[Petalpusher]

And what this suggests is that while those who fall for serial killers may represent a pathological exaggeration of a female’s erotic mind, many women (at least secretly, or subliminally) can’t help but be drawn toward cold-blooded, controlling, “bad boys” whose dominance symbolizes quite the opposite of what in relationships they’re consciously seeking.

I think it's exactly that. We are the same as well, just expressed with a bit different criterias, we are more attracted by women who display overly feminine features and behaviors, even beyond the reasonable or what would be considered the most "healthy" physically, and yes even if it's "fake". Our serial killers are basically the pornstar types of figures, it's a caricature of feminity features, proportions etc... Yet we don't want them rationally and most men will deny it. Like makeup, surgery wouldn't exist if it wasn't working. There is a more psychological aspect we consider as well, as strongly but in different situations, the motherly behaviors, it's always a tug of war between the two for us.

As for the real reason that has been missed so far, women want men that can't be manipulated in general, even by themselves. What this harsh world is gonna do to this man if even "a physically weak creature like me" can manipulate his will. If you are nice for no reason, many will detect it as a liability and something to take advantage of soon or later by someone else in the society. Women are good at detecting this, men can't really fake it, you are like that naturally or not. It helps them they have spent the last 300 millions of years dodging losers to survive. While we were looking for women who were going to ensure we have offsprings (and ours).
This trumps it all and the real bottom line besides every particular bad behaviors that imply. Killers and violent people just embody this trait to some unrational extreme, at least unrational in the present era. It's also acquiring power through the extension of a man, that women generally can't have physically, the power of life and death. Real and fantasized.

[Lioncourt]

Ramirez and Bundy's attractiveness and charisma are overblown.
Ramirez:

Spoiler!

These women who form groupies and shower murderers with attention and love suffer from a condition: Hybristophilia
It goes deeper than attraction to the physical aspect and superficial charisma of the criminal. These women tend to have psychological issues of their own. Factors include low self-esteem, the lack of a father figure, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

That's like the worst photo of him. In court he was always dressed nice, with sunglasses and was pulling off the rockstar look. Ramirez was very handsome and if he was not a serial killer but convicted of some lesser crime, like robbery or assault, he would have been invited to be a model, just like Jeremy Meeks.

Surely most of these women had hybristophilia, but they were attracted to Ramirez and Bundy, not to unattractive serial killers. Just like sapiosexual girls prefer a handsome doctor over a buck teeth nerd with glasses. Just like girls who like football drool over Ronaldo, not over Modric. Also, if Ramirez lived today, he would be very popular in dating apps, much more than your average guy who works 9 to 5 and feeds the dogs in front of his house.

[DraviXi99]

Mog Machine

[Lioncourt]

Mog Machine

Imagine if he wasn't a drug user, washed his teeth, slept 8 hours and went to the gym. He would have mogged 95% of Hollywood actors and male models. Instead he chose to be a deranged psychopath, what a shame.