Why don't women like good men?

[Nurzat]

it's different tastes based on multiple factors: rural vs urban and then within urban it's working class vs middle class vs upper class girls.

but indeed while they are very young they sometimes go for the macho guy disrespect of his social class and I've seen such guys (sometimes not even tough, just posers) dating way upper class than them, point in which they usually try to make her pregnant in order to keep her. my former girlfriend, upper class (both her parents are doctors, her dad is a hospital manager), dated this jobless guy 12 years older than her (she was 18 when they started dating), because he was cool and smoke weed and had artistic interests (though I saw him as very limited intellectually, just a poser/hipster) and he got her pregnant, as expected, now they have two kids, he still doesn't have a job but they seem happy/ok/not less happy than any other random couple. I couldn't do this no matter how bad I wanted to keep the girl, but for some it works. I see it as low behaviour. many girls my age (mid to late 30s) have one such kid from a failed relationship or a kid they had very young because the guy thought he'll keep her this way. now it's full of these girls on Facebook Dating and many of them are very pretty but then most men won't stay in a longer relationship with them because of the kid. most of my friends and acquaintances (and my wife's as well) are single deep into 30s and my guys refuse to date these girls with kids from previous relationships, but on top of this they refuse to date my wife's friends as well, based on looks or on age (a bit ridiculous when a 38-40 yo guy says a 33-35-38 yo girl is too old for him). so they usually just don't date, it's full of such single people of both sexes in the cities

[oszkar07]

I don't know if this is something that only happens in Turkey. Girls here generally love bad boys with high crime rates. and they hang out with vagabond men who we can call macho. When it comes to marriage, they try to find a good man. why is this so?

This really makes me sad. I feel that we have been deceived by with our religions, our culture, our films and our literature for years. There are no rewards for being a good person. other than dying of loneliness.

I claim that if Jesus, the epitome of goodness, were alive today, he would crucify himself because he never had a girlfriend.

As soon as you start conforming to what is percieved under some supposed stereotype to be the thing to get the thing --- you lose your originality.
Just be yourself but be smart and go for what you want in your life , who cares what women want ... thats the wrong approach to start with instead look at what you want and go for it.
and one more thing
let a ho be a ho

[HarveySuits]

I never understood need "for a chellenge" or "playing hard to get". Normies are extremely strange beings.

For me there is nothing better than to easily get together instantly if there is attraction. No need for games, I don't like pretending.

Yeah me neither lol. Games are for dummies, what normies.

[Oghuz]

[Immanenz]

Nietzsche defines "morals as cowardness". And there are good reason for it to be true. We are only peaceful because there is law informencet and we are scared to do shit because of consequences we face, otherwise we are just weak, more phantasy driven monkeys.

[Universe]

Andrew Tate said something like this:
"Women don't like nice guys because niceness can be faked easily. Anyone can be nice. Being nice is not an achivement. Status is very hard / impossible to fake".

Yeah, I know most people don't like Tate, but he's right about a few things. A person's ideas should be judged on a case by case basis.

[KirillMazur]

What is good and what is bad is determined by current socio-economic relations and its morality.

Spoiler!

To the question of negative selection in the socio-economic system, which goes in unison with "human nature".

Most women are attracted to men with the dark triad, ie. narcissists, psychopaths and machiavellians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91886913012245
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...eness_to_women
http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

Men who are associated with criminal and engage in anti-social activities have more success with women, more sexual partners and start having sex earlier.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120513...tables/ch8.pdf

Men who have criminal and anti-social behavior breed more successfully.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12625439
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90513814000774

Serial killers, terrorists and rapists receive thousands of love letters from women to jail.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...-a-2689657.php
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...5917891300061X

Men who are members of criminal gangs have a significantly higher number of female sexual partners than ordinary men.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...24499509551792
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...onary_approach
https://www.nber.org/papers/w12019

Bullies who did bullying since childhood have significantly greater sexual success in life with women than men who didn't bullying.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...74704915613909
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...of_Personality

39 percent of hospitalized male psychopaths had sexual contact with female mental health workers.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9c5...3f767d1126.pdf

Female prison guards are significantly more likely to harass male prisoners than male prison guards are to harass female prisoners.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svraca0911.pdf

Women who want to marry are largely attracted to men with a narcissistic personality type, and it is these men that they consider the most desirable partners.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...10X?via%3Dihub

Female narcissism reduces the quality of marriage for men and men are more likely to attempt to divorce such a woman after some time and, on the contrary, women are completely satisfied if their marriage partner is a narcissistic man.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26098378

Women have a negative attitude towards men with socially positive character traits, such as kindness, empathy and willingness to invest in relationships, considering such men to be non-sexual, while men, on the contrary, consider women with these character traits more attractive.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...46167214543879
https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds...-around-261269
https://doi.org/10.1037/a0026021

[Scarface F]

Andrew Tate said something like this:
"Women don't like nice guys because niceness can be faked easily. Anyone can be nice. Being nice is not an achivement. Status is very hard / impossible to fake".

Yeah, I know most people don't like Tate, but he's right about a few things. A person's ideas should be judged on a case by case basis.

I can't stand him but that is a good tought. Women certainly appreciate high status men.

[LastDayz]

What is good and what is bad is determined by current socio-economic relations and its morality.

Spoiler!

To the question of negative selection in the socio-economic system, which goes in unison with "human nature".

Most women are attracted to men with the dark triad, ie. narcissists, psychopaths and machiavellians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91886913012245
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...eness_to_women
http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

Men who are associated with criminal and engage in anti-social activities have more success with women, more sexual partners and start having sex earlier.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120513...tables/ch8.pdf

Men who have criminal and anti-social behavior breed more successfully.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12625439
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90513814000774

Serial killers, terrorists and rapists receive thousands of love letters from women to jail.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...-a-2689657.php
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...5917891300061X

Men who are members of criminal gangs have a significantly higher number of female sexual partners than ordinary men.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...24499509551792
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...onary_approach
https://www.nber.org/papers/w12019

Bullies who did bullying since childhood have significantly greater sexual success in life with women than men who didn't bullying.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...74704915613909
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...of_Personality

39 percent of hospitalized male psychopaths had sexual contact with female mental health workers.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9c5...3f767d1126.pdf

Female prison guards are significantly more likely to harass male prisoners than male prison guards are to harass female prisoners.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svraca0911.pdf

Women who want to marry are largely attracted to men with a narcissistic personality type, and it is these men that they consider the most desirable partners.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...10X?via%3Dihub

Female narcissism reduces the quality of marriage for men and men are more likely to attempt to divorce such a woman after some time and, on the contrary, women are completely satisfied if their marriage partner is a narcissistic man.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26098378

Women have a negative attitude towards men with socially positive character traits, such as kindness, empathy and willingness to invest in relationships, considering such men to be non-sexual, while men, on the contrary, consider women with these character traits more attractive.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...46167214543879
https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds...-around-261269
https://doi.org/10.1037/a0026021

Damn. This is heartbreaking and disappointing. but thats all real.

[Insuperable]

What is good and what is bad is determined by current socio-economic relations and its morality.

Spoiler!

To the question of negative selection in the socio-economic system, which goes in unison with "human nature".

Most women are attracted to men with the dark triad, ie. narcissists, psychopaths and machiavellians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91886913012245
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...eness_to_women
http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf

Men who are associated with criminal and engage in anti-social activities have more success with women, more sexual partners and start having sex earlier.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120513...tables/ch8.pdf

Men who have criminal and anti-social behavior breed more successfully.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12625439
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90513814000774

Serial killers, terrorists and rapists receive thousands of love letters from women to jail.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/...-a-2689657.php
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...5917891300061X

Men who are members of criminal gangs have a significantly higher number of female sexual partners than ordinary men.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...24499509551792
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...onary_approach
https://www.nber.org/papers/w12019

Bullies who did bullying since childhood have significantly greater sexual success in life with women than men who didn't bullying.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...74704915613909
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...of_Personality

39 percent of hospitalized male psychopaths had sexual contact with female mental health workers.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9c5...3f767d1126.pdf

Female prison guards are significantly more likely to harass male prisoners than male prison guards are to harass female prisoners.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svraca0911.pdf

Women who want to marry are largely attracted to men with a narcissistic personality type, and it is these men that they consider the most desirable partners.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...10X?via%3Dihub

Female narcissism reduces the quality of marriage for men and men are more likely to attempt to divorce such a woman after some time and, on the contrary, women are completely satisfied if their marriage partner is a narcissistic man.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26098378

Women have a negative attitude towards men with socially positive character traits, such as kindness, empathy and willingness to invest in relationships, considering such men to be non-sexual, while men, on the contrary, consider women with these character traits more attractive.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...46167214543879
https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds...-around-261269
https://doi.org/10.1037/a0026021