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    Quote Originally Posted by Kess View Post
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    I guess you might have skipped a "no" in rothaer's comment what's the reason for the confusion.
    Last edited by #Oda#; 04-03-2024 at 12:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    It does not apply to a notable proportion of low class children that they have no parents, i. e. are full orphans. It’s not serious to even mention that exceptional condition....
    I had forgot to add „environment“ which would have been important in that context. Changed in original text. And you oversaw the bold "s" in parents, meaning I didn't refer to full orphans.


    I see no difference in recognition to other backgrounds. There is also often zero recognition among people with a socially higher background. So yes, of course I’ve thought of that. That is applicable all over.
    What I said is, that there simply often don't exist environments they could live content „in harmony“ in, like you expressed, because that‘s simply not possible due the kind of environment or not desirable. How out of touch with the real world are you?


    What an incredible haughtyness! I had no clue that you are so disrespectful to other people that perform the freedom to decide about their very own life that does in no way concern you and that you think that their existence per se is worse than what you like. This is a real coming-out in matter of ignorance.
    It’s simply up to them to decide what is important to them and let it be the dumbest things. Freedom includes the freedom to make decisions that you consider wrong.
    And I have no clue how you come to your conclusion. Of course it is up to them what they want to do with their lifes. But how free are decisions made under circumstances belittling choices (much) in comparison to others?


    What are you fantasising about? Nobody is excluded. You want to ”support” them to take some assumed by you ”mental hurdles”. This is what we talk about.
    Those are not assumed by me, but real, and if support isn't given, it comes close to an exclusion.


    So you do think that low-class or not is based on IQ conditions only? This is not the case and I don’t know anyone else that thinks so.
    Again, I have no clue how you come to your conclusion. I‘m not aware that I expressed that and neither think that.

    EDIT: Now I have a clue.
    I ought have written „except IQ“ instead of „besides IQ“ (changed afterwards). My mistake. That could have put the sense upside-down. Would have thought you‘d interprete it the way I meant it nevertheless tbh. (If you might want to give trouble to track back. If not, fair enough.)


    What a disrespecting paternalism is that? They decide what they need, not you. In particular if you are not concerned and it’s not of your business. We have laws that define well who is acting for whom, who is legal guardian etc. I even had to stand to be „deported“ by an emigration of my parents, but what regulations are the alternative. You still completely do avoid the critique to be mature, serious, i. e. constructive.
    Strange thoughts. What is so hard to understand of the fact that there are parents not able to supply their children nearly sufficiently, materially and immaterially, to enable them to live lifes adequate to their abilities.


    But exactly then you should not generally promote an extensive education of all gifted people! You know that education statistically causes a lower procreation rate in Germans since many decades. If we don't want to lose more skilled individuals in our people we need LESS education.
    There are means to compensate that, still unexhausted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Exatly, and that is shown in figure 9.2 as I elaborated.

    I don't get why you leave exactly that out when you quote me.
    That gets refuted right here:
    While income and IQ test scores are related, results
    do not suggest a link between IQ scores and wealth
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    Regression results range from a negative to a small
    positive relationship depending on the specific analysis
    done. Moreover, since most of the statistical results are
    not distinguishable from zero, this suggests IQ test
    scores and net worth are not connected.
    Zagorsky, J. L. (2007). Do you have to be smart to be rich? The impact of IQ on wealth, income and financial distress. Intelligence, 35(5), 489-501.
    Last edited by Kess; 04-03-2024 at 01:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldaris View Post
    What is not precise and formal is classification of Pearson correlation coefficients into arbitrary categories.
    The thing is, no one would categorize a 0.3 coefficient as "strong" or "high."

    Typically, a Pearson correlation coefficient of 0.3 would not be categorized as "strong" or "high." In most categorizations, a coefficient of 0.3 would fall into the category of "weak" or "low" correlation.

    Categorizations of correlation coefficients can vary, but a common classification usually looks something like this:

    0 to 0.2: Very weak or no correlation
    0.2 to 0.4: Weak correlation
    0.4 to 0.6: Moderate correlation
    0.6 to 0.8: Strong correlation
    0.8 to 1.0: Very strong correlation

    That's the end of things.

    If you can show me research that categorizes a 0.3 coefficient as strong or high, I might start to think you may have a point.

    And this is income's efficiency, not wealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #Oda# View Post
    I guess you might have skipped a "no" in rothaer's comment what's the reason for the confusion.
    If you can't keep up, you might as well refrain from the topic because the confusion has no relation to rothaer.

    Aldaris already admitted he made a mistake. The confusion arose from the fact that another article discusses Zagorsky's findings with its own graphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kess View Post
    If you can't keep up, you might as well refrain from the topic because the confusion has no relation to rothaer.

    Aldaris already admitted he made a mistake. The confusion arose from the fact that another article discusses Zagorsky's findings with its own graphs.
    Oh sorry for trying to sort out a possible misunderstanding with good intention. Won't happen again. What I saw was connected to rothaer seemingly. Maybe my mistake.
    Your discussion is not that sophisticated to not keep up with btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #Oda# View Post
    Oh sorry for trying to sort out a possible misunderstanding with good intention. Won't happen again. What I saw was connected to rothaer seemingly. Maybe my mistake.
    Your discussion is not that sophisticated to not keep up with btw.
    Sorry if I overreacted, because I feel like I’m sort of 1v3 in this discussion.*

    Temper gets the best of me, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kess View Post
    Sorry if I overreacted, because I feel like I’m sort of 1v3 in this discussion.*

    Temper gets the best of me, I suppose.
    That can happen. Thanks for reply.

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