If Turks are not white, what are they?

[DraviXi99]

Source?

If you can prove to me that turks looks european,then i rest my case.

[Kaspias]

What about azeri. Do you consider them different from Anatolian turk?

Same story, same origin, different native base, different history. Different from Anatolian Turks. One of the closest kins among Turkics, but not a core population of Turkey.

[Hektor12]

If you can prove to me that turks looks european,then i rest my case.

Sure, if you can prove me that ive said "Turks look this" i can definitely prove that. Now, please tell me about your source.

[DraviXi99]

Sure, if you can prove me that ive said "Turks look this" i can definitely prove that. Now, please tell me about your source.

The source is that turks are not euro

[Thracian]

Why is Kaspias and the other 'mah Turan' Turks in this thread so salty?

Weren't you the ones that stressed your foreign Turkic elements in order to fuel your petty and traditional nationalist narratives? Entirely within your right to do so in matters of identity.

Now you are pissed off that the exotic element you preached got stuck over time and the Euros are wary to admit any connection to you like they do with post-Byzantine Greeks.

You can't have it both ways, such is life.

Your two comments are conflicting. We do not fuel our Turkic ancestry or ignore our non-Turkic foreign elements.

[Sora]

According to recent studies...


Proto-Turks; obviously 100% northeast Asian, birthplace is Orkhon Valley(modern Mongolia). However, mixed with Saka/Scytho-Siberian neighbors during Xiongnu period

Göktürks; (eastern)75% NEA + 25% Caucasoid, (western)60% Caucasoid + 40% NEA

Orkhon Uyghurs(excluding Sogdian samples labelled as "Uyghur"); 75% NEA + 25% Caucasoid

Late medieval Turkic folks(Karluk, Karakhanid, Ottoman, Kipchak etc); 60% Caucasoid + 40% NEA or 50/50

Modern Turkic folks on " Turkic ancestry":

Turkish= 2/3 local Anatolian + 1/3 medieval Turkic

Azerbaijani= 3/4 local Iranic/Caucasian + 1/4 medieval Turkic

Uzbek= 2/3 medieval Turkic + 1/3 mainly Sogdian with a drop of Sinitic & Mongolic

Uyghur= 1/2 medieval Turkic + 1/4 east Iranic + 1/4 Sino-Tibetian & Mongolic

Kazakh= 2/3 medieval Turkic + 1/3 medieval Mongolic

Kyrgyz= 1/2 medieval Turkic + 1/2 medieval Mongolic

Altaians= 3/4 east Göktürk + 1/4 Mongolic & Samoyedic

Khakasian= 2/3 east Göktürk + 1/3 Samoyedic & Yeniseian

Tuvans= 3/4 east Göktürk + 1/4 Mongolic

Yakuts= 2/3 Samoyedic & Tungusic + 1/3 east Göktürk


*Note; the Turkic source of Siberian Turkic and other Turkic groups ain't same. After the divergence of Göktürks into west vs east, western & eastern Turkic tribes migrated to different places and mixed with different populations

[Sora]

Source; Quora

[Demirkazık]

Proto-Turks; obviously 100% northeast Asian, birthplace is Orkhon Valley(modern Mongolia). However, mixed with Saka/Scytho-Siberian neighbors during Xiongnu period

Uyuk culture is the most likely representative of the Early Proto-Turkic homeland, The similar cultural and genetic profile of Pazyryk despite a greater “Scythian” cultural influx and its coincidence with Iranian hydronymic territory in South Siberia suggests that it was probably a community of Turkic elites dominating over an Iranian-speaking population. They were thus the most likely vector of Eastern Iranian loanwords in Proto-Turkic.
A Proto-Turkic language spoken around the Sayan mountains during the 1st millennium BC is also assumed to be behind the Proto-Turkic superstrate on Samoyed, hence probably represented by Tagar elites – likely spreading at the same time as the formation of Uyuk culture.

Proto-Turkic loans in the coeval 1st millenium BC Common Yeniseian also supports a northward expansion of Turkic elites at roughly the same time, and possible loans in Proto-Tocharian further constrain the homeland to a more westerly location in Mongolia. Finally, the finding of the “eastern” ancestry and lineages (proper of Altai_MLBA groups) spreading to the west with “Scythian” groups like Tian Shan Sakas, Tasmola, and Sargat, suggests that these admixed groups with elites stemming from the Altai-Sayan area might have been the source of the few Proto-Turkic loanwords – among the many Eastern Iranian ones – found in Ob-Ugric. Xiongnu is believed to represent the Late Proto-Turkic homeland, and the formation of its early community shows strong cultural and genetic influx from to the preceding “Scytho-Siberians” to the west, before becoming heavily admixed with populations from the Tian Shan, Mongolia, and China in the late period during its expansion.
The influence of Pre-Proto-Oghuric on Pre-Proto-Mongolic roughly coinciding with the incorporation of Slab-Grave-related populations into the polyglot Xiongnu empire strongly suggests that populations to the east of Altai_MLBA+Steppe_MLBA groups spoke Mongolic varieties by the Late Iron Age. Further, Oghuric traits found in Proto-Khanty borrowings – but not in borrowings in Ob-Ugric or in Proto-Samoyed – support that they should be attributed to the Hunnic expansion, or closely related westward expansion of Xiongnu-related populations.

Assuming that Steppe_MLBA-related R1a-Z2125-rich populations from the MBA (Fëdorovo-)Cherkaskul groups represented the Eastern Uralic expansion – continued in LBA Ob-Ugric-speaking cultures of the Andronovo-like horizon and Pre-Proto-Samoyed-speaking Karasuk – leaves the Altai_MLBA groups as the most likely candidates for a Pre-Proto-Turkic-speaking community. Their close contacts with Ulaanzuukh could potentially justify ancestral similarities shared among “Micro-Altaic” languages, if any of them withstands proper scrutiny.

Here is the source that I completely agree with.

[DraviXi99]

Dream of the average turk poster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXOV..._channel=Boris

[Hektor12]

The source is that turks are not euro

You didnt say "Turks dont look euro", you said "Turks look MENA."

Source or im going bitter.