If Turks are not white, what are they?

[Demirkazık]

Essentially, the non-Turkic side of Anatolian Turks is almost in line with the Greek Islanders, Anatolians, and South Caucasians in modern terms, of course. Similar statements can be made regarding Balkan Turks. Meanwhile, our Turkic side resembles populations that is between Turkmens and Uzbeks. I won't delve deeper into it as it's difficult to explain, and I'm attempting to simplify it. Nonetheless, the Turkic ancestry of Turks isn't a single entity, nor is the Anatolian side. Even the East Eurasian ancestry of Turkics isn't either. Though if we leave all that aside, it can be said that both Anatolian and Balkan Turks are regionally, and on average, homogeneous, in fact.
I don't understand why random individuals deliberately try to categorize Turks as a West Asian, Middle Eastern, or as a European nation. We are neither West Asian, Middle Eastern, nor we are European; we are Turks, and nothing else.

[rajputprincess]

I do not understand the point of this discussions about being white, brown purple or any other colour and personally do not give a fuck about them, neither do identify as white. However, just to spit the facts, when we first arrived in this forum people were claiming that Balkan Turks were kidnapped janissaries (feeling that this will continue in this thread after this comment) and we showed them this is not correct. Now, people started to intentionally underestimate the amount of them, and ignore completely if it is possible in the context.

Nevertheless, when taking only ethnic Turks into account and all other things considered, if you're claiming "Greeks are whiter than Turks", you must think once more. The native DNA base of Anatolian Turks literally lives in Greece now, consisting of at least 25% of the total population. Further, the phenotype transition in the native people of the two coast (see: Aegean Turks, Aegean Islanders, Peloponnesians) are not detectable by an average eye -except for Turanic blends over overlaping Mediterranean phenotypes. Further, Balkan Turkish population is more than their counterparts (in the context of phenotypes, in terms of numbers) from Central Greece and Northward. It is pretty much more diverse in Turks due to the elevated numbers, and the range is quite extended. However, in terms of averages, what makes Turkish phenotypes differ than Greeks is Central Asian elements present in Turks. Therefore, if you are so uncomfortable for the potential that Turks actually could identify as white or European or whatever, I may suggest your little ass that pushing Turks to further Asia could make more sense.

If you are not into objective commentary and prefer clownish actions, I may recommend visiting a mental hospital as people's look and/or how do they identify is not your business. So make a choice, are you a brainwashed clown or an observer for scientific/entertainment purposes?

I have been stating this in this forum because I do not like politically brainwashed comments which hides agendas under. Go fucking make a trip of Athens - Ankara - Beirut - Tahran, if you wish. Then you can speak.

Cheers

What about azeri. Do you consider them different from Anatolian turk?

[kingmob]

Why is Kaspias and the other 'mah Turan' Turks in this thread so salty?

Weren't you the ones that stressed your foreign Turkic elements in order to fuel your petty and traditional nationalist narratives? Entirely within your right to do so in matters of identity.

Now you are pissed off that the exotic element you preached got stuck over time and the Euros are wary to admit any connection to you like they do with post-Byzantine Greeks.

You can't have it both ways, such is life.

[kingmob]

The Western Euros, through processes of cultural and social mechanisms, have decided that Turks are a foreign and disruptive element in their societies, similar to how they view the migrant and refugee incomers of the past few years, regardless of the fact that you have been in their societies for far longer and are probably more so than not, better integrated.

It doesn't matter how many videos, pictures or g25 models you post, the label 'Turk' swings you right into the category of undesirable, in contrast to Greeks, Maltese and Sicilians who are not viewed in such light. The more you push for acceptance, the harder they are going to push back because for them is a matter of collective identity against you.

So save your time and embarrassment and stop with you 'euro' or 'white' washing agenda of your people, the Euros will never accept you even if you somehow bleach yourself to pure white complexion.

My post may come across as harsh but it also comes from an ethnographic point of view.

[tropicalslavic]

Turkey straddles Europe and Asia.



Looks you didn't escape either

Yeah but nonetheless it's just not some magical European white ethnostate. And I don't mind having admixture I literally don't care about race that much outside of thinking it's an interesting thing to talk about. Never had an issue with Turks

[DraviXi99]

why's that funny?

Wait,i typed greeks but i wanted to type Turks,sorry lol

[DraviXi99]

He's obviously jealous because he's a partially Sicilian/Maltese so he has a rage on the group that's supposedly similar to him. Except for the most part being Greek or even western Turkish in some cases would give you fully European scores on the DNA tests, while having Sicily/Malta would indicate small SSA.

I got confused and typed greeks instead of turks

[DomitiusAurelian]

Essentially, the non-Turkic side of Anatolian Turks is almost in line with the Greek Islanders, Anatolians, and South Caucasians in modern terms, of course. Similar statements can be made regarding Balkan Turks. Meanwhile, our Turkic side resembles populations that is between Turkmens and Uzbeks. I won't delve deeper into it as it's difficult to explain, and I'm attempting to simplify it. Nonetheless, the Turkic ancestry of Turks isn't a single entity, nor is the Anatolian side. Even the East Eurasian ancestry of Turkics isn't either. Though if we leave all that aside, it can be said that both Anatolian and Balkan Turks are regionally, and on average, homogeneous, in fact.
I don't understand why random individuals deliberately try to categorize Turks as a West Asian, Middle Eastern, or as a European nation. We are neither West Asian, Middle Eastern, nor we are European; we are Turks, and nothing else.

This.

[eastern]

Essentially, the non-Turkic side of Anatolian Turks is almost in line with the Greek Islanders, Anatolians, and South Caucasians in modern terms, of course. Similar statements can be made regarding Balkan Turks. Meanwhile, our Turkic side resembles populations that is between Turkmens and Uzbeks. I won't delve deeper into it as it's difficult to explain, and I'm attempting to simplify it. Nonetheless, the Turkic ancestry of Turks isn't a single entity, nor is the Anatolian side. Even the East Eurasian ancestry of Turkics isn't either. Though if we leave all that aside, it can be said that both Anatolian and Balkan Turks are regionally, and on average, homogeneous, in fact.
I don't understand why random individuals deliberately try to categorize Turks as a West Asian, Middle Eastern, or as a European nation. We are neither West Asian, Middle Eastern, nor we are European; we are Turks, and nothing else.

Those terms only make sense when geographic. When used geographically, yes Anatolian Turks are West Asian. Genetically it wont make as much sense, West Asia isn't a region with one type of sub-race. Almost every Northwest-Asian (so Turkish Turks, Persians, Kurds, Lur, Laz, Armenians etc.) can't be classified as just West Asian genetically. Almost all of these groups ALL have Central Asian, Southeast European, Semitic and South Asian elements as well. Especially Turkish Turks, Kurds, Lurs, Persians etc. are technically foreigners in West Asia even though they/we have been there for almost centuries...our origin is somewhere else more eastern.

[Hektor12]

the Euros will never accept you even if you somehow bleach yourself to pure white complexion.

Its too early to talk. I rather prefer basing my opinions on facts than some statements of some forum edgelords. For example, we were allies with Germans in two world wars after centuries long wars with them. You talk like this due to your agenda but real life is different. Just wait until Turkish serial become more popular in europe then they will all see how beautiful we are and even invite us themselves.