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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessna View Post
    Sure. Check out Balto-Slavic drift.
    Clusters are distinguished by a clear line. I will specify it myself with another:


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machiavellian View Post
    According to this PCA, Basques are not europeans
    Basques are within the southern European cluster on the first one. But on the second one, they are well within the northern European cluster, on the edge. Basques are tricky. But as for Greeks, southern Italians and Jews, they are more or less within their own cluster an all Principal Component Analysis graphs.

    Again, being European is an ethno-cultural thing, not racial. Not all Europeans are one race. It’s like saying all Africans are ‘black’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machiavellian View Post
    According to this PCA, Basques are not europeans
    Look closer. It does say "Eur" and the other European cluster is Northern Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    Basques are in the southern European cluster. But in the second one, they are well within the northern European cluster, but on the edge.

    Again, being European is an ethno-cultural thing, not racial. Not all Europeans are one race. It’s like saying all Africans are ‘black’.
    The problem is they putting Basques in the same group as Iranians and Turks, as you can see in the image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaganPoet View Post
    Look closer. It does say "Eur" and the other European cluster is Northern Europe
    Sure, "Eur" + SW Asia...

    Sounds quite offensive for Basques putting them in the same group where ethnicities like "Syrians" and "Iranians" are also present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machiavellian View Post
    The problem is they putting Basques in the same group as Iranians and Turks, as you can see in the image.
    I don’t particularly like the first graph I provided. The second one is more accurate. Basques are tricky. But as for Greeks, southern Italians and Jews, they are more or less within their own cluster on all Principal Component Analysis graphs.. somewhere in between West Asia and Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    Clusters are distinguished by a clear line. I will specify it myself with another:

    The image is not loading. What is this PCA anyway? Baltic population underwent a significant bottleneck due to long period of isolation, they are a bit more northern shifted than the rest of euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessna View Post
    The image is not loading. What is this PCA anyway? Baltic population underwent a significant bottleneck due to long period of isolation, they are a bit more northern shifted than the rest of euros.
    Yeah, it’s being slow. Check it again, it finally loaded on my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    I don’t particularly like the first graph I provided. The second one is more accurate. Basques are tricky. But as for Greeks, southern Italians and Jews, they are more or less within their own cluster on all Principal Component Analysis graphs.. somewhere in between West Asia and Europe.
    Where's the second one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Machiavellian View Post
    Where's the second one?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    Clusters are distinguished by a clear line. I will specify it myself with another:

    Greeks and southern Italians form their own cluster ^. Jews are not included, but they would most likely be in the same cluster as they are in most other graphs I researched..

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