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    About demographics of military frontier:
    Thus, the Serbian and Croatian nations appeared in the area of the former Military Frontier in the second half of the 19th century, and the separation and national classification proceeded primarily along the lines of confessional affiliation. Data on confessional affiliation, more numerous since the 18th century, but more reliable in the 19th, give the following picture: on October 31, 1857, the Croatian-Slavonic region had 675,817 inhabitants, of which 396,843 (58.8%) were Roman Catholics, 272,755 ( 40.3%) Orthodox and 720 (0.8%) Evangelicals. Since the share of foreigners was numerically negligible, and later censuses of the population by language ("Illyrian") give a similar picture, it is clear that the Serbs (if we include all Eastern Christians in that category) were not the majority in the Military Frontier. Approximate data from previous censuses (eg, sometimes only the number of houses was counted, sometimes the number of men, etc.) give a similar picture. After the reorganization, it is evident that the Catholic population predominated in the Otočac, Ogulin, Križevac, Đurđevac, Brod and Gradiška regiments, Orthodox made majority in the Lika and 1st and 2nd Banska regiments, while the Slunj was equally divided by confession (Petrovaradin, in which the Serbs formed the majority, for the most part, is not within the borders of the Republic of Croatia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    2. Religious intolerance and hatred of Catholic priesthood in Croatia toward Orthodox people.
    I wouldn't say hatred but intolerance. There were attempts to turn Serbs Catholic or at least Greek-Catholic and they mostly failed.

    How is that different to attempts to convert Catholics of Bosnia-Herzegovina into Orthodox by Serbian priesthood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    ^^^^
    The Parliament in Zagreb had no jurisdiction over the Military Frontier.
    Vienna was the one who decided everything, and Zagreb could only be silent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    I wouldn't say hatred but intolerance. There were attempts to turn Serbs Catholic or at least Greek-Catholic and they mostly failed.

    How is that different to attempts to convert Catholics of Bosnia-Herzegovina into Orthodox by Serbian priesthood?
    There were no attempts to convert anyone into Orthodox in Bosnia.
    Unlike Islam and Catholicism who spread massively, there were no mas conversion neither desire of Orthodox priesthood to do so.
    Serbian Orthodox community in quite closed and mind its own bussiness.
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    Does Croatia have the same climate as the countries of southern Europe or more like central Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    About demographics of military frontier:

    In the Military Frontier in present day Croatia and Syrmia all Orthodox were Serbs. On the other hand Croatians were majority among Catholic of that parts of MF, but also existed other Catholic there - Germans and Hungarians. Non-Serbian Orthodox people in MF existed only in southern Banat and part of Transylvania and there were Romanians, but they are irrelevant for the ethnic composition of MF on the territory of modern Croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    There were no attempts to convert anyone into Orthodox in Bosnia.
    Unlike Islam and Catholicism who spread massively, there were no mas conversion neither desire of Orthodox priesthood to do so.
    Serbian Orthodox community in quite closed and mind its own bussiness.
    I remember from school days in one history book it said that in the late 16th/early 17th century in 'golden period' of Serbian Partiarchate of Peć some Catholics in Herzegovina and Syrmia converted to Orthodoxy. Anaway, conversions from Orthodoxy to Islam and Catholicism were much more numeruos than from these religions to Orthodoxy in western Balkans in the last 500-600 years. These are incomparable things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggery View Post
    Does Croatia have the same climate as the countries of southern Europe or more like central Europe?
    https://croatia.eu/index.php?view=article&lang=2&id=10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    I wouldn't say hatred but intolerance. There were attempts to turn Serbs Catholic or at least Greek-Catholic and they mostly failed.
    One of my hotspots for matches is Zumberak and Zumberacki Uskoci (for some reason), they were successfully converted (or more likely Greek-Catholic, like Arbereshe flock in Italy) i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazmatnik View Post
    One of my hotspots for matches is Zumberak and Zumberacki Uskoci (for some reason), they were successfully converted (or more likely Greek-Catholic, like Arbereshe flock in Italy) i believe.
    Žumberčani are of same origin as Serbs of White Carniola https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_White_Carniola
    Žumberčani converted to Greek-Catholicism and Roman Catholicism in 17th and 18th century. In White Carniola Serbs mostly preserved Orthodoxy almost 500 years, but they are assimilatted in Slovenians after WW2 due to Slovenians school system and common mixed marriages with Slovenians. Btw first mixed ever marriage in White Carniola between Serbs and Slovenians is recorded in 1930s, it's quite recent since Serbs live there since about 1530.

    Milorad Pavić have roots from Žumberak https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milorad_Pavić
    His ancestors converted to Greek-Catholicism in 17th and later in 18th century to Roman Catholicism. One his paternal ancestors in 19th century from Žumberak moved to Vojvodina and returned to Orthodoxy.
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