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    FYROMians are mostly Slavicized ancient Macedonians, ranging from 1/3 to 1/4 Slavic and 2/3 to 3/4 Paleo-Balkan; hence very close to Albanians and North Greeks ("real Macedonians")

    Although culturally, they feel closer to Serbs (thanks to Tito's policy of developing Macedonian identity and nurturing the opposition against Bulgarian """Tatars""")
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    FYROMians are mostly Slavicized ancient Macedonians, ranging from 1/3 to 1/4 Slavic and 2/3 to 3/4 Paleo-Balkan; hence very close to Albanians and North Greeks ("real Macedonians")

    Although culturally, they feel closer to Serbs (thanks to Tito's policy of developing Macedonian identity and nurturing the opposition against Bulgarian """Tatars""")
    Medieval Bitola sample was more Slavic than nowadays N.Macedonians.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Medieval Bitola sample was more Slavic than nowadays N.Macedonians.
    Its a single sample though. Lets wait until other samples are unearthed. Bitola was multicultural city after all.

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    According to one theory Aromanians are descendants of Latin speaking people from Syrmia which arrived to Macedonia with Kuber in 7th century https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuber
    If this hipothesis would be true (poven by archeogenetic or something for example) that doesn't mean Syrmia today should belong to Aromanians. The live in Epirus, Macedonia and Thessaly for sure over 1000 years and they are native in that regions. Serbs are more native in the Balkans than anywhere where early or proto Serbs lived in northern Slavic soild.

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    Because 2000 years ago our language was latin with some non latin words and weird grammar, the illyrian language died and only some words survived,when the roman empire started collapsing the ancestors of albanians took refuge to higher altitudes so the language became weirder and weirder and further from latin.
    If you read gjon buzuku meshari is even more latin then today albanian

    Take for example the oldest albanian phrase the formula of baptism and compare it with latin

    Unte paghesont premenit Atit et birit et spertit senit
    Ego te baptizo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

    Yes but using slavic loan words in albanian we know for a fact that the ghegh-tosk split happened before the slavs came, as slavic loanwords are the same in both ghegh and tosk and didn't went through dialectical sound shift like latin and greek words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    According to one theory Aromanians are descendants of Latin speaking people from Syrmia which arrived to Macedonia with Kuber in 7th century https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuber
    If this hipothesis would be true (poven by archeogenetic or something for example) that doesn't mean Syrmia today should belong to Aromanians. They lived in Epirus, Macedonia and Thessaly for sure over 1000 years and they are native in that regions. Serbs are more native in the Balkans than anywhere where early or proto Serbs lived in northern Slavic soild.
    Sirmium was one of the largest and most important cities in Roman empire. Who knows, maybe that theory is true.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirmium

    "Ten Roman emperors were born in this city or in its surroundings: Herennius Etruscus (251), Hostilian (251), Decius (249–251), Claudius II (268-270), Quintillus (270), Aurelian (270–275), Probus (276–282), Maximian (285–310), Constantius II (337–361), and Gratian (367–383)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dardanos View Post
    Because 2000 years ago our language was latin with some non latin words and weird grammar, the illyrian language died and only some words survived,when the roman empire started collapsing the ancestors of albanians took refuge to higher altitudes so the language became weirder and weirder and further from latin.
    If you read gjon buzuku meshari is even more latin then today albanian

    Take for example the oldest albanian phrase the formula of baptism and compare it with latin

    Unte paghesont premenit Atit et birit et spertit senit
    Ego te baptizo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.

    Yes but using slavic loan words in albanian we know for a fact that the ghegh-tosk split happened before the slavs came, as slavic loanwords are the same in both ghegh and tosk and didn't went through dialectical sound shift like latin and greek words
    So you want to tell us, you first spoke Albanian, than when Roman conquered you start to speak Latin, and later start to learn Albanian again.

    You were in higher altitudes even in Roman period, thus how you preserved language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Why is there no any ancient record of Albanian language, since you lived in middle of Roman empire?

    "The first written mention of Albanian was in 1284 in a witness testimony from the Republic of Ragusa, while a letter written by Dominican Friar Gulielmus Adea in 1332 mentions the Albanians using the Latin alphabet in their writings. The oldest surviving attestation of modern Albanian is from 1462."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albani...%20from%201462.

    13th century first time recorded? Quite late

    No any trace from Roman period? Why is that?

    My theory is Albanians were very small in number and isolated in mounatins, away from Roman cities and roads.
    I choose no sides in this conflict but didn't Albanians have a state in the late 12 century ?So maybe there were letters mentioning the albanian language earlier then 1284 but lost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioas12 View Post
    I choose no sides in this conflict but didn't Albanians have a state in the late 12 century ?So many there were letters mentioning the albanian language earlier then 1284 but lost?
    How is possible everything is lost, even from Roman period?
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    No we spoke latin the albanian language evolved only as product of isolation

    How did we get latin words for baths palatium imperator hospital and other urban related things if we lived in 2000 m?
    Greek word for dinner milestone?

    How did shepherds with no "roads" got an ancient greek word for milestone?

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