Bosnia majority Muslim in 17th century

[ANurega]

Peter Masarechi, sent a more carefully researched
report in 1624; unfourtunately, the figures he
gave for Bosnia have been misconstructed
by almost all the historians who have cited
them. What he actually reported was that there
were 150,000 Catholics, roughly 75,000 Eastern Orthodox,
and 450,000 Muslims.

Bosnia: a short history

[Dušan]

First real and official population census in Bosnia-Herzegovina was in 1879, and showed Orthodox Serbs as most numerous nation.

Orthodox Christians 496,485 (42.88%)
Sunni Muslims 448,613 (38.73%)
Catholics 209,391 (18.08%)
Jews 3,426 (0.29%)
Others 249 (0.02%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1879_p...nd_Herzegovina

All data before that are unreliable, and are not real population censuses, but estimates that are far from reality.

[ANurega]

To say that there was no general policy
of coercing individuals does not mean that
no obstruction or oppression was used against
the Christian churches. The Orthodox Church
suffered least in this early Ottoman period,
for two reasons: first, because Ottoman
policy preferred the Orthodox to the Catholic
Church (the Church of the Austrian enemy);
and secondly, because in much of Bosnia,
excluding Hercegovina, there was very little
Orthodox presence before the Turkish invasion
Indeed, an Orthodox population was introduced to
large parts of Bosnia as a direct result of
Ottoman policy. The Orthodox church was an
accepted institution of the Empire.

[Dušan]

Idiot, all Christians were second-class citizens and in bit better rank than slaves in mohamedan Ottoman empire, not only Catholics.

Ottomans tolerated presence of Catholics, thats how they survived in middle of Bosnia until today.

[Dušan]

"The older type of wooden churches were built in the 16th and 17th centuries, they are small in size and cover only 30 square meters of space, in which all the elements needed for a religious ceremony, and even a bell tower, are placed, so as not to attract the attention of the Muslims"

It was forbiden to built a church bell during Ottoman occupation.


Nowadays, new Orthodox churches in Bosnia have huge bell tower that dominates all over, and symbolize Serb victory in Republika Srpska

[ANurega]

There has been little mention
so far of the Serbian Orthodox
Church.This is for the simple reason that
, until the Ottoman period, the Orthodox
Church was barely active in the territory
of Bosnia proper; only in Hercegovina was it an
important presence. In its early medieval history,
Hercegovina (Hum) had been part of the cultural and political
world of the Serb zupe and princedoms, with Zeta (Montenegro) and Raska (South-west
Serbia). Most of the nobility of Hercegovina was Orthodox during the fourteenth and fifteenth
centuries, and so, probably was the majority of its population. During the
century of Catholic activity before the Turkish conquest, significant gains were
made there by the Catholic church, which set up four Franciscan monasteries on
Hercegovina soil: but some of these gains were lost, especially in the eastern part
of Hercegovina, in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. By 1624 there were still fourteen Catholic
parish churches in eastern Hercegovina; fifteen years later the total had sunk to eleven, of
which four were said to be almost in ruins. The Banate or Kingdom ofBosnia, on the other hand,
seems to have contained no organized activity by the Serbian Orthodox Church until
its territory wasextended by King Tvrtko in the 1370s to include the upper Drina valley
(south-east of Sarajevo) and parts of modern Montenegro and Serbia including the Orthodox monastery at Milesevo. Although
Tvrtko had himself crowned at Milesevo, he was and remained a Catholic, like all the Bosnian
kings after him (with the possible exception of Ostoja, who may have been a member of the
Bosnian church). Away from the upper Drina valley, there are no clear signs of Orthodox church buildings in pre-Ottoman Bosnia.

In terms of church organization, the Serbian Orthodox Church remains virtually invinsible on the territory of modern Bosnia proper in the pre-Ottoman period.

After the arrival of the Turks, however, the picture begins to change quite rapidly.
From the 1480s onwards, Orthodox priests and believers are mentioned in many parts of
Bosnia where they were never mentioned before. Several Orthodox monasteries are known to have been
builtin the sixteenth century (Tavna, Lomnica, Papraca,Ozren and Gostovic), and the important
monastery of Rmanj, in north-west Bosnia, is first mentioned in 1515. These new foundations
are particularly striking when one considers that the kanun-i raya forbade the construction
of any new church buildings: clearly, specific permission had been given each time by the Ottoman authorities. Although
the Orthodox suffered a fair share of indignities and oppressions, it is no exaggeration to say
that the Orthodox Church was favored by the Ottoman regime.

They came with Ottomans

[Regnera]

Bosnia became a Muslim country since Muhammad II excuted Stephen Tomasevic in 1463,fuck Muhammad II,RIP Stephen,may God bless his soul.

[ANurega]

Bosnia became a Muslim country since Muhammad II excuted Stephen Tomasevic in 1463,fuck Muhammad II,RIP Stephen,may God bless his soul.

Bosnia was actually a Catholic country and many if not most of the Catholics there converted to Islam. You also had Muslims from other areas that came there, many of these apparently had origins from Bosnia from before. Bosnia was never Serbian Orthodox , they are settlers from Hercegovina, Serbia etc that were preferred by the Ottomans. They were allowed to settle there and build Orthodox churches.

I opened a thread about this here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ns-into-Bosnia

Vojvodina used to also be Hungarian territory before the settlement of Serbs there during the Ottoman period.

[Dušan]

Bosnia became a Muslim country since Muhammad II excuted Stephen Tomasevic in 1463,fuck Muhammad II,RIP Stephen,may God bless his soul.

They never become majority.

Search all population censuses since 1879.
Their percentage was 30-38% for decades.

In last census 2013, Muslims reached 50%, but lot of diaspora is counted into resident population.

[ANurega]

Bosnia proper used to be Catholic actually. Bosnian Muslims are mainly products of Catholics from Bosnia that converted to Islam whom did not flee during the Ottoman occupation, this is actually where the largest Muslim element in the start came from in the 15th-16th century. Followed by Christians from Croatia, Hungary that converted; these were mainly freed Slaves that converted to Islam + Muslims in those regions that had converted and fled at the end of the 17th century into Bosnia, some of these were of Bosnian origin from before. There were also Islamicized Vlachs + many Orthodox of Hercegovina that converted to Islam. Also some Muslim spahis from Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia. Most Orthodox Serb Churches you see in Bosnia were built during the Ottoman period, with permission from the Ottomans of course and Orthodox Serb presence in Bosnia is of course the result of Ottoman occupation. Bosnia was never Serb territory, was only very shortly occupied by the Serbs. The Serbs mainly held Hercegovina where there was a much larger Orthodox presence, but there was also a Catholic presence there.