Are Cro Magnon populations in Britain native or the result of recent migrations?

[aherne]

Thanks but there is also the chance that upper paleolithic survivors became reduced in the region of France and Spain etc thanks to climate, all alpine regions have a similar climate and topography, large robust features seemed to hold on in the colder flatter north.

There is a strong correlation between "rough" craggy features, in most likelyhood inherited from the paelo-europeans with medium to light pigmentation. The few CMs I saw in Portugal and Spain were definitely among the lighter individuals (skin/hair/eyes pigmentation), but not as the super light skinned blue eyed Keltic remnants (so much more common in France).

All throughout Europe, CM (Paleo-European) types correlate with lighter pigmentation. Those in Northern Europe (Norse countries) are exceptionally light in fact...

[Oliver109]

There is a strong correlation between "rough" craggy features, in most likelyhood inherited from the paelo-europeans with medium to light pigmentation. The few CMs I saw in Portugal and Spain were definitely among the lighter individuals (skin/hair/eyes pigmentation), but not as the super light skinned blue eyed Keltic remnants (so much more common in France).

All throughout Europe, CM (Paleo-European) types correlate with lighter pigmentation. Those in Northern Europe (Norse countries) are exceptionally light in fact...

Interesting, I don't recall Cro Magnon types in Iberia being anything but alpine or berid types, I did notice lighter depigmented meds or atlantids but generally they are not that common and firmly in the 1%.

[Creoda]

You are treating their findings as an unfailible gospel, when in reality it's just pseudoscience with no historical evidence, strongly contradicted by phenotypes in the region. But what can I say... some people truly believe that NATO is a defensive alliance as well

What are you on about? What is mostly contradicted by phenotypes in the region? How could there be historical evidence when this is prehistory? How am I treating 'their findings' as unfailible (?) gospel when I stated in the first sentence it's impossible to know exactly how the Neolithic Britons disappeared? Do you realise the Indo-Europeans that replaced the Neolithic Farmers in Western Europe were already admixed with significant Farmer blood (from Ukraine and Poland)?

'Some people' truly believe NATO is a defensive alliance, like the 16 (mostly Eastern) European nations that have voluntarily joined since 1999 and consequently don't have to fear suffering Ukraine's fate. They're all wrong apparently.

[aherne]

How am I treating 'their findings' as unfailible (?) gospel when I stated in the first sentence it's impossible to know exactly how the Neolithic Britons disappeared?

You treat it as a fact, because the "specialists" said so... Looking at modern Britons it's very obvious they didn't dissappear, but left behind a 20-30% racial legacy, which is far from negligible.

Do you realise the Indo-Europeans that replaced the Neolithic Farmers in Western Europe were already admixed with significant Farmer blood (from Ukraine and Poland)?

How can that be related to the OP subject (CM populations in Britain)?

like the 16 (mostly Eastern) European nations that have voluntarily joined since 1999 and consequently don't have to fear suffering Ukraine's fate

They voluntarily submitted, unlike Syria/Iraq/Lybia/Yemen/Somalia/Afghanistan (and so on), who had to suffer a little "democracy" from the extremely aggressive alliance that now wants to wage a war against Russia out of pure compassion for the battered Zionist entity called "Ukraine", of course) and...

... stay put ...

Self defence

[Creoda]

Reminded of this old StJ video by this thread


And despite the Neolithic Britons being wiped out, and my Bell Beaker derived Y-DNA, I'm proud to say I have unbroken Neolithic British derived mtDNA.

[Septentrion]

There is a strong correlation between "rough" craggy features, in most likelyhood inherited from the paelo-europeans with medium to light pigmentation. The few CMs I saw in Portugal and Spain were definitely among the lighter individuals (skin/hair/eyes pigmentation), but not as the super light skinned blue eyed Keltic remnants (so much more common in France).

All throughout Europe, CM (Paleo-European) types correlate with lighter pigmentation. Those in Northern Europe (Norse countries) are exceptionally light in fact...

I beg your pardon? Are you OK? Unfortunately for you not all CM types correlate with lighter pigmentation (hair, eye, skin colours).
FYI, the South Cromagnid phenotype which isn't that numerous but appears in Iberia, Southern Italy and even parts of Northern Africa. Most common in Southeastern Spain in the peasant class. At even lower frequencies in the Balkans (Southeastern Europe), Anatolia and parts of France. Very rarely but individual cases have been found in the British Isles (Southern England and Wales). This type was exported especially by the Western European colonial powers notably Spain and Portugal to the New World.
Pigmentation characteristics are as follows:
Hair colour: brown to black
Eye colour: dark
Skin colour: light brown

[aherne]

I beg your pardon? Are you OK? Unfortunately for you not all CM types correlate with lighter pigmentation (hair, eye, skin colours).
FYI, the South Cromagnid phenotype which isn't that numerous but appears in Iberia, Southern Italy and even parts of Northern Africa. Most common in Southeastern Spain in the peasant class. At even lower frequencies in the Balkans (Southeastern Europe), Anatolia and parts of France. Very rarely but individual cases have been found in the British Isles (Southern England and Wales). This type was exported especially by the Western European colonial powers notably Spain and Portugal to the New World.
Pigmentation characteristics are as follows:
Hair colour: brown to black
Eye colour: dark
Skin colour: light brown

That is partly correct, because there is CM that came wirh the Neolithic farmers as well. The levant is full of it...

Paleo-European CMs are light...

Eye color: brown, green, blue
Hair color: brown, blonde, red
Skin color: light to very light
Hair texture: frequently wavy, curly, a feature foreign to both Steppe and ENF derived folk

[Septentrion]

That is partly correct, because there is CM that came wirh the Neolithic farmers as well. The levant is full of it...

Paleo-European CMs are light...

Eye color: brown, green, blue
Hair color: brown, blonde, red
Skin color: light to very light
Hair texture: frequently wavy, curly, a feature foreign to both Steppe and ENF derived folk

Paleo Sardinian
Eye colour : brown or dark
Hair colour: brown to black
Skin colour : light brown
Hair texture: straight to wavy
Region: Southern Europe

[Septentrion]

That phenotype is abused to mean everyone with a round-ish face: obviously it can point to any ancestry, but true Alpinids (like in Italy and Spain or Greece) point to Anatolian plateau, where this phenotype is found in greatest purity. A true Alpinid is brunet by definition and it can be found from Tajikistan to Morocco and most of Europe. It is absolutely an ENF inheritance

Sorry, but no. Corrections needed. The true Alpinid or the Alpine Proper is the West Alpinid racial phenotype of Western and Central Europe. This is why it was named after the Alps mountain range. It originated in the Alpine region of Europe not somewhere in Tajikistan. Again, true Alpinids or pure Alpinids are most frequent in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, North-West Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Less pure or mixed West Alpinid may be found in the Czech Republic, Spain, Portugal, the Balkans, Hungary and Slovakia.
Skin colour: fair (sometimes light brown)
Hair colour: chestnut (at times blonde/ginger)
Hair texture: coarse and wavy
Eye colour: brown (oftentimes blue/gray/green)
Let’s be factual and not whitewash everyone (that’s abuse!). The East Alpinid of West Asia and the African Alpinoids could share similarities to the European one, but they aren’t the original one. The Alpine race specialty is to be intermediate in pigmentation
. Percentage-wise, Luxembourg is the most West Alpinid country in Europe and the world.

[Oliver109]

Sorry, but no. Corrections needed. The true Alpinid or the Alpine Proper is the West Alpinid racial phenotype of Western and Central Europe. This is why it was named after the Alps mountain range. It originated in the Alpine region of Europe not somewhere in Tajikistan. Again, true Alpinids or pure Alpinids are most frequent in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, North-West Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Less pure or mixed West Alpinid may be found in the Czech Republic, Spain, Portugal, the Balkans, Hungary and Slovakia.
Skin colour: fair (sometimes light brown)
Hair colour: chestnut (at times blonde/ginger)
Eye colour: brown (oftentimes blue/gray/green)
Let’s be factual and not whitewash everyone (that’s abuse!). The East Alpinid of West Asia and the African Alpinoids could share similarities to the European one, but they aren’t the original one. The Alpine race specialty is to be intermediate in pigmentation.

You know nothing about Alpines, they are Cromagnons and developed in the Iranian highlands and central Asian grasslands, the European alpines are a result of Cromagnons moving in from Asia and adapting to their environment, all alpine groups are predominantly brown eyed with a minority of 25% of mixed light eyes.