What do you think of the role of "communists"?

[Tooting Carmen]

How it didn't? Rea about revolution in Russia, for example.

In practice, yes. What I meant was that Marx and Engels themselves did not advocate genocide, however fiery their language at times was.

[Kess]

In the sense that Communism is putatively about human equality and classlessness, whereas Nazism is hierarchical and brutal even in theory.

Noble is a wrong word to describe communism. I don’t know any ideology more anti-noble than communism. Of course, I am talking about the literal sense of noble. The connotation of the word doesn’t go along well with communism. That’s my point.

[rothaer]

This facebook site says "they are the same as nazis, they are "packs" and same as nazis, and that they were allied with nazis to destroy eastern europe"... Do you think that is ok to say so? Were communists really like nazis? Or this is trivializing actually the nazis and scapegoating the communists?



Im not a communist and it wasnt really good, but i dont think its ok to say they are like nazis and that they were allied with nazis, i think actually nazis and capitalists were closer to eatch other, because capitalists were afraid of communists, some conservatives and capitalists and liberals supported the nazis, because they thought they will defend them against the communists?

None of them wanted to destroy Eastern Europe. This is childish. Both wanted to form Eastern Europe along their imagination of how it ideally should be.

Because now is asked for the communists: If we leave aside all opportunists and restrict the question to those with a communist conviction then I'll say that there were three main categories of followers:

- unfavourable and petty characters
- naive idealists
- secular Jews, that in communism see a solution to get out of their societal fringe exsitence as Jews and find a new substitute identity and commonality

[Blondie]

None of them wanted to destroy Eastern Europe. This is childish. Both wanted to form Eastern Europe along their imagination of how it ideally should be.

Because now is asked for the communists: If we leave aside all opportunists and restrict the question to those with a communist conviction then I'll say that there were three main categories of followers:

- unfavourable and petty characters
- naive idealists
- secular Jews, that in communism see a solution to get out of their societal fringe exsitence as Jews and find a new substitute identity and commonality

Unfortunatelly soviets did not invade whole Germany after 1945. If they did it, now Germany would be 100% white patriotic country. The bad communist economic ideas were blessing of East Europe. The Wehrmacht fought against wrong enemy.

[rothaer]

Unfortunatelly soviets did not invade whole Germany after 1945. If they did it, now Germany would be 100% white patriotic country. The bad communist economic ideas were blessing of East Europe. The Wehrmacht fought against wrong enemy.

This sounds somewhat schlau im Nachhinein (knowledgeable afterwards).

The ethnocidal behaviour decades later in the western parts could not seriously be predicted. In contrast to this, rapes, lootings, deportations of Germans that never showed up again and later expulsions of abt. 10 million Germans due to the Soviet control were very present.

As for today's knowledge it has a point, though.

[NSXD60]

Communism: Elites downgrading the productive by equalizing their income with the non-productive so no one below said elites can rise to their level of control.

[Victor]

I have positive opinion on comminists. Without communism and their shitty economy, East Europe would be such woke shithole like West Europe. Fortunatelly we are much poorer, and this poverty is a shield.

I think every system where person needs to do his best to have a good life is more or less ok if it's not based on quasi religious ideology, no need for Communism for it. All the systems which suppose that everyone will live in prosperity with minimum or little effort are unhealthy ones, with egalitarian mommy states.

[protos]

Im not a communist and it wasnt really good, but i dont think its ok to say they are like nazis and that they were allied with nazis, i think actually nazis and capitalists were closer to eatch other, because capitalists were afraid of communists, some conservatives and capitalists and liberals supported the nazis, because they thought they will defend them against the communists?

This is most definitively wrong Morti. Communism is indeed the most similar to national socialism.
They were made upon similar ideas. You can even go further and say that they were the same except Nazi's really saw opportunity in eugenicist movement, while communist wanted to show they are not national, but international, and different, so wanted to deny anything related to nation and nationalistic propaganda, so they seek to cancel out locally anything related to genetics, or something that would encourage competition within the country like capitalism (but actually this stands for nazism too), whereas in fact they were both unnatural, hybrid, and unsustainable systems which is ultimately the reason they failed.

[Aldaris]

Comparing ideologies like communism, nazism, and 'capitalism' reveals both similarities and differences in their underlying principles, political structures, and societal visions. And the same goes for almost any pair of human ideologies. They tend to share certain characteristics while diverging significantly in others.

[Victor]

Comparing ideologies like communism, nazism, and 'capitalism' reveals both similarities and differences in their underlying principles, political structures, and societal visions. And the same goes for almost any pair of human ideologies. They tend to share certain characteristics while diverging significantly in others.

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