Armenia considers possibility of joining the EU

[kingmob]

No, it's enough to know the truth. Lots of Greek, Cypriot Greek hierarchs, lots of mount Athos don't recognize this "church" personally. If pope Bartholomew would accept gay marriages, ordain woman priests would it mean it's ok because it's done by Constantinople? No. That's some blind papism. Truth is not a game of opinions.

Oh, so you know the monks and priests in Mt. Athos personally now?

Then you must know that Mt. Athos and Constantinople worked for years to remove the Russian leadership from St. Panteleimon and give it to the Ukrainians. Did your contacts tell you this also?

[Victor]

Oh, so you know the monks and priests in Mt. Athos personally now?

Then you must know that Mt. Athos and Constantinople worked for years to remove the Russian leadership from St. Panteleimon and give it to the Ukrainians. Did your contacts tell you this also?

Mount Athos has lots of monasteries with different attitude to things happening in Orthodox World. Lots of Greek priests expresses their attitude to Ukrainian church situation. Lots of priests reject to commemorate false Ukrainian metropolitan at Liturgy. By the way, Ukrainian nationalists were tricked with "autocephaly" because this church is attached to Constantinople, it has less rights in this submission than canonical Ukrainian church inside Moscow patriarchate.

[Blondie]

I dont support the armenian EU membership in this political situation. I dont want conflict zones in the EU, we dont need Ukraine, Moldova and others either.

[Victor]

Oh, so you know the monks and priests in Mt. Athos personally now?

Then you must know that Mt. Athos and Constantinople worked for years to remove the Russian leadership from St. Panteleimon and give it to the Ukrainians. Did your contacts tell you this also?

You're not Orthodox, but well, just a fact, this rapidly made "Ukrainian church" is one of the most bizarre projects. It's small in numbers, because Ukro nationalists who still have nominally Christian attitude prefer Ukrainian church of kievan patriarchate of met Filaret. Western Ukrainians are uniates. Majority of Christian Ukrainians are members of UOC. This artificial one is a dogmatical and canonical chaos. Huge amount of their churches are violently stolen churches of UOC. Most of them stay closed because they have no people to come. An average "modern Ukrainian Orthodox" does not go to own church and generally does not give a damn about Christianity, motivation may be "wow they celebrate Xmas on 25th Dec, cool".

[kingmob]

Mount Athos has lots of monasteries with different attitude to things happening in Orthodox World. Lots of Greek priests expresses their attitude to Ukrainian church situation. Lots of priests reject to commemorate false Ukrainian metropolitan at Liturgy. By the way, Ukrainian nationalists were tricked with "autocephaly" because this church is attached to Constantinople, it has less rights in this submission than canonical Ukrainian church inside Moscow patriarchate.

Regardless of your sentiments, which may be valid, like I said water off the duck's back for me, it was their Church's decision to make, just like your own Church's breakaway and the creation of the Bulgarian Exarchate under your control.

Life's a bitch isn't it.

[Victor]

Regardless of your sentiments, which may be valid, like I said water off the duck's back for me, it was their Church's decision to make, just like your own Church's breakaway and the creation of the Bulgarian Exarchate under your control.

Life's a bitch isn't it.

It's bad for them, not for us, not for me, thanks God I belong to canonical Church. This "their decision" is not accepted by majority of Ukrainian citizens. It's not me who gets beaten by masked men in front of church, it's not my parochy who's church gets raided and stolen.


Btw do you support violent attacks and taking over churches in Ukraine? It happened and happens quite massively, never condemned by Constantinople, even Yanks did it and Catholic church. Rarely by locals,more often by nationalists gangs who come by buses and cars. Then they put a lock on church.

There are facts when some parochies lost their church and built a new one, just to lose it again taken by nationalists. Lots of parochies serve Liturgy on open air, at someone's houses

When I say someone is heretic it's just a statement. It does not mean that this person has no right to profess his false faith or has to be repressed. There are mosques, synagogues, Catholic, Armenian and protestant churches in my country, why would I care or want them not to exist?

[kingmob]

Btw do you support violent attacks and taking over churches in Ukraine?

What kind of question is that.

This is a historical discussion, maybe the things you say happened, maybe not, there's a lot of dis-info from both sides to justify blowing each other up into smithereens.

[Victor]

maybe the things you say happened, maybe not.

That's quite lukewarm attitude of like "everything is lies and I don't really care". Lots of these crimes systematic long before the war, lots of them are filmed, not denied by the attacking side, confirmed by Human Rights and religious organizations, including non-Orthodox ones. I can say the same as the phrase I quoted of you about Armenian genocide, but really, no matter what it was and what were the reasons, the fact is that finished with thousands of dead Armenians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVS-3uDqoxw

[kingmob]

I can say the same as the phrase I quoted of you about Armenian genocide, but really, no matter what it was and what were the reasons, the fact is that finished with thousands of dead Armenians.

Your country/leadership has killed way too many for you to pretend they have any moral ground to stand on.

We'll see after the dust settles, for now, it's people turning into mince.

[Victor]

Russia is quite frankly the most unreliable "superpower"(paper tiger) ally any nation can have.

Let's return to the topic. What bad has happened to Armenia through the years of independence Russia can be blamed for as unreliable ? I mean, Russia is literally the reason why modern Armenian state on territory of Erivan khanate later governorate (which had almost half of Azeri populace back in Russian Empire, now 98% are Armenians) still exists now.

And you have strong political and business lobby in bad Russia, mafia too, for sure.