LADOGAN (Apologies to forum members)

[lei.talk]

Maybe try to exert yourself intellectually.

MDLP world 22 results...

[cass]

which is disappointing:
we were hoping to learn some thing new.

in the future,
please post screen-shots
of bunak articulating his ideas regarding the uralid phenotype.

we will all benefit
from new and expert information.

Here u r
https://elib.rgo.ru/safe-view/123456...YuIE5lLnBkZg==
p.334

[cass]

please explicate how this demonstrates a ladogan/uralid phenotype differential

Maybe you're not following the discussion. I reject the thesis about the presence of Mongoloids in Poland and Lithuania.

[lei.talk]

disappointingly,
clicking on the image
to visit the page you recommended
leads to comments regarding the various ethnic groups
in the area of that map.

you are correct:
at no point does bunak discuss
the uralid phenotype he originally characterised
(nine years earlier) and references in other writings
(two examples were provided earlier
in response to a post
by the apricity's most persistently confabulatory poster).

The Ladogan has relations with the Uralid,
but isn’t the Uralid.

once again,
thank you for providing an url-link
to a text that will be very interesting reading.

[cass]

disappointingly,
clicking on the image
to visit the page you recommended
leads to comments regarding the various ethnic groups
in the area of that map.

you are correct:
at no point does bunak discuss
the uralid phenotype he originally characterised
(nine years earlier) and references in other writings
(two examples were provided earlier
in response to a post
by the apricity's most persistently confabulatory poster).

once again,
thank you for providing an url-link
to a text that will be very interesting reading.

It must be remembered that Bunak preferred the concept of a geographical race - a type associated with a region.
It is interesting that this is the last edition of Bunak before the war and the terminology used is compatible to the Western one. Later, Soviet anthrolopology did not explicitly use the term "Northern race" but the West Baltic.

[lei.talk]

...the terminology used is compatible to the Western one.
Later, Soviet anthropology did not explicitly use the term "Northern race"
but the West Baltic.

in deed: the 1978 edition
that meine kleine über-mädchen deposited in the internet archive
reads very differently.

click-on the image
and compare the terminology

[cass]

The Ladogan has relations with the Uralid, but isn’t the Uralid.

I would not completely abandon the logic of linking the Bunak's Ural/Altaic race represented by Eastern Ugric people with the Western Finns around Ladoga.



Genetically, the two groups are related, albeit mirror-different. Western Finno-Ugric people are 40% WHG+10% EA comparing to Eastern Ugric (Komi Zyrians) 10% WHG +55% EA.

Interestingly, Czekanowski connected both regions by the presence of an admixture of the "Paleo-Asiatic element"
(assuming that it may be synonymous with Eastern Eurasian). He even determined the strength of this element quite precisely. Of course, in this case we are not talking about the frequency of occurrence of pure types, but about the percentage of admixture in the population.

[lei.talk]

...Interestingly,
Czekanowski connected both regions
by the presence of an admixture of the "Paleo-Asiatic element"...

a few years before czekanowski introduced this concept
in first volume of "Człowiek, jego rasy i życie"

(many other polish physical anthropologists of that time
participated — the nine volume set is filled
with images and purchased for less than $100
a few years ago: a wonder-full bargain!),

a similar idea was published
with the original characterisation of the uralid phenotype:

Bunak Die uralische Rasse bildet gemeinsam mit einigen anderen sibirischen einen von echten mongolischen Asiaten deutlich verschiedenen Schlag, den ich mit dem Namen einer „Protoasiatischen Großen Rasse" bezeichnen werde.

[lei.talk]

I reject the thesis about the presence of Mongoloids in Poland and Lithuania.
...No part-Mongolian element penetrates into Lithuania and Poland.

are you criticising carleton coon's choice of geographical nomenclature
to label the constellation of craniometric details
for skulls that are more than four thousand years old
from a lake near the border of finland and russia

with genetic details
of contemporary population-groups in poland and lithuania

if this is a continuation of a conversation
from an other thread — that might explain my confusion.

[Septentrion]

disappointingly,
clicking on the image
to visit the page you recommended
leads to comments regarding the various ethnic groups
in the area of that map.

you are correct:
at no point does bunak discuss
the uralid phenotype he originally characterised
(nine years earlier) and references in other writings
(two examples were provided earlier
in response to a post
by the apricity's most persistently confabulatory poster).

once again,
thank you for providing an url-link
to a text that will be very interesting reading.

You're welcome.