Beware the rise of the "Woke Right"

[Petalpusher]

(1) I think Jews in particular would have something to answer re the last paragraph. (2) So your arguments are not based on a principled belief in the right of every nation to maintain its own language, culture and ethnic group, but more about putative differences in intelligence and economics? Thus it is unacceptable for Whites to become a minority in France but not for Arabs to become a minority in the UAE? (To me, both scenarios are equally bad). (3) For much of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the percentage of foreign-born people in France was actually higher than nowadays.

1) Do you mean because Israel is developped? Israel has managed to reach the tiping point they can specialize in a few areas, high tech, security,... for example to name a few, still overwhelmingly based on European technology (semi conductors, advanced electronics). Much like East Asian countries did in the past with electronics. UAE was nowhere close to that level of developpement ever since they started to get money from oil.
2) What i mean is if you lack an advanced civilization in all sorts of area, you don't have the luxury to choose if you want to catch up with others, at least on the surface. You have to make a choice, you need to accomodate foreigners. Naturally they will be in position to live exactly the way they want and in the language they want. I think local elites are also fine with that and completely understand the trade off. It has never been necessary in the West.
The most mindblowing thing in Dubai is how everything has a western brand on it, every piece of equipement, companies at work, building or maintaining, even down to bus stations.
3) No it's not even close and ive already demonstrated to you its was not the case. Also because the bulk of the foreign population nowadays have a piece of paper saying they are local, theorically. Means nothing.

[BrandenburgGaming]

i would just call them deradicalization squads, its less about left or right for them in my eyes

[Incal]

Beware of what exactly? Most of those "woke right" (LMAO) are just pure talk, they wouldn't survive a month abroad with no welfare. As a matter of fact we have a couple of those here: they've spent years talking about how sick they are about the "decadent" West but so far they haven't even reached the Interstate lol

[Tooting Carmen]

1) Do you mean because Israel is developped? Israel has managed to reach the tiping point they can specialize in a few areas, high tech, security,... for example to name a few, still overwhelmingly based on European technology (semi conductors, advanced electronics). Much like East Asian countries did in the past with electronics. UAE was nowhere close to that level of developpement ever since they started to get money from oil.

Not just Israel. I meant Jews living in the West itself have contributed enormously to science, business and the arts.

2) What i mean is if you lack an advanced civilization in all sorts of area, you don't have the luxury to choose if you want to catch up with others, at least on the surface. You have to make a choice, you need to accomodate foreigners. Naturally they will be in position to live exactly the way they want and in the language they want. I think local elites are also fine with that and completely understand the trade off. It has never been necessary in the West.
The most mindblowing thing in Dubai is how everything has a western brand on it, every piece of equipment, companies at work, building or maintaining, even down to bus stations.

But that doesn't mean that its population should become a minority within its own country, with a foreign language and customs imposed upon it, any more than should occur in the West (or East Asia), does it? Because if you believe it does, then it shows how phony and unprincipled the right-wing "I just want to preserve my country" arguments really are. Furthermore, might it not be the case that Dubai's low crime rate which you praise so much is at least in part due to Sharia law, which you frown upon and regard as inferior and barbaric?

3) No it's not even close and ive already demonstrated to you its was not the case. Also because the bulk of the foreign population nowadays have a piece of paper saying they are local, theorically. Means nothing.

French historians have long established that, during said period, as much as one-third of the population was born overseas - mostly in Southern and Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. And I did say foreign-born, not foreign nationality.

[Tooting Carmen]

Beware of what exactly? Most of those "woke right" (LMAO) are just pure talk, they wouldn't survive a month abroad with no welfare. As a matter of fact we have a couple of those here: they've spent years talking about how sick they are about the "decadent" West but so far they haven't even reached the Interstate lol

Traditionally it has been more of a left-wing vice to romanticise non-Western regimes and societies, but the point is that a version of that has spread to the Right nowadays too.

[Sylvanas]

Traditionally it has been more of a left-wing vice to romanticise non-Western regimes and societies, but the point is that a version of that has spread to the Right nowadays too.

True right-wing should be critical about their own country, I don't see evidence that they romanticize non-Western, but object about current situation

[dviz]

Beware people who call everything 'woke'. Beware 'right-wing' Jews like Kisin and Ben Shapiro who promulgated the 'Woke' term to obfuscate the real issues, principally the anti-White agenda.

I haven't watched the video, but the "woke" label applies. For all sorts of grievances the right has used the "red-pilled" expression instead of "woke" but the meaning is exactly the same.

Both the left and right extremes are clamoring for authoritarian/dictatorial regimes. Fuck them all.

I am a regular of this forum and I remember how everyone here was so worked up by the lack of freedom of speech in social media. However, since the war in Ukraine the masks have fallen off. The same forum members now dick-ride Putin all day long, despite his regime being a state-sanctioned gangsterism (a la Haiti) that does not allow any freedom of speech. Fuck those people as well.

[Petalpusher]

Not just Israel. I meant Jews living in the West itself have contributed enormously to science, business and the arts.

Not nearly as much as people think. It's in the single digit percentage and highest contributions of Jews was actually in UK, which would only slightly demote it from 1st place in global achievements behind France and Germany. For better and (often) worse, Jews are half Europeans.

But that doesn't mean that its population should become a minority within its own country, with a foreign language and customs imposed upon it, any more than should occur in the West (or East Asia), does it? Because if you believe it does, then it shows how phony and unprincipled the right-wing "I just want to preserve my country" arguments really are. Furthermore, might it not be the case that Dubai's low crime rate which you praise so much is at least in part due to Sharia law, which you frown upon and regard as inferior and barbaric?

Again that's the trade off they ve chosen. I could care less if they are willing to demote their language and customs to get pretty buildings and western level of comfort, often with their tacky touch on top of it. Dubai is esthetically another visual abomination but that's a separate matter, it's the best that the West can do technically, if you throw billions at us. We can build you an helicopter that runs on coke as well if you so wish, or a Lamborghini covered with diamonds, a common occurence with Arabs around there. Laughable but not so surprising, and the bills smell the same.

There is indeed a grotesque aspect to see a camel herder that was lucky to inherit european oil exploitation from nowhere or an Afram using a smartphone's gps in a western car, rambling about its last trip in a plane. They have about zero affiliation and legitimacy with the world they are currently experiencing. They are just willing to give people money for the illusion of belonging to it living like whites and sacrifice their culture. Be my guest.

I think you just don't realize, to what extent Dubai as it is right now couldn't have emerged from the UAE on its own, even with infinite credits.

Sharia is barbaric and inferior but it's tailored for the population there. In the same tune Gaddafi was a tyrant to western standards but was the only way to have a stable and somewhat developping state.
I don't want that in the West because it's simply not needed here. You don't need to cut people's hands for them to eventually understand, stealing is bad.

French historians have long established that, during said period, as much as one-third of the population was born overseas - mostly in Southern and Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. And I did say foreign-born, not foreign nationality.

Born overseas?! Like from oversea/colonial territories? Im trying to imagine something else than what you apparently claim with this new pet peeve of yours. 1/3 born in southern and eastern europe would translate into at least a dozen of millions. Besides Poles, there are really not much eastern euros living in France, let alone from Caucasus. 1/3 is where we are right now with all the recent massive immigrations, this just doesn't make any sense.

[tropicalslavic]

As a Slavic person who is Orthodox (minority in my country but culturally it's not like we're that different from Orthodox-"majority" countries that all have low church attendance) living in the US, I love to trigger American converts to my religion by telling them about how almost all Eastern European countries have higher rates of abortion, STDs, divorce, single parents, plastic surgery, etc. than the US does lol. I've had some of them literally visibly get angry with me because I poked a hole in their fantasy that east of Germany is conservative wonderland. There are many good things about Eastern Europe as well, but none of those good things would appeal to people like them, so I don't mean to make it sound like I'm complaining about where I'm from.

They are everywhere in Orthodox churches in the US.

[Tooting Carmen]

As a Slavic person who is Orthodox (minority in my country but culturally it's not like we're that different from Orthodox-"majority" countries that all have low church attendance) living in the US, I love to trigger American converts to my religion by telling them about how almost all Eastern European countries have higher rates of abortion, STDs, divorce, single parents, plastic surgery, etc. than the US does lol. I've had some of them literally visibly get angry with me because I poked a hole in their fantasy that east of Germany is conservative wonderland. There are many good things about Eastern Europe as well, but none of those good things would appeal to people like them, so I don't mean to make it sound like I'm complaining about where I'm from.

They are everywhere in Orthodox churches in the US.

This is sort-of what I am talking about, yes. This notion, which has its variants on both the Left and increasingly the Right, that Westerners (especially but by no means exclusively Americans) are exceptionally selfish hedonists, and everyone else is a happy smiling pious peasant who wouldn't dare watch porn or leave their partner.