Human Development Index by Latin American nation 2024

[Andullero]

Indeed, but (1) this elemental understanding seems to be beyond lots of other forum members, (2) at least based on this study, Chile is only a little more successful than Argentina and (3) the two countries have essentially the same genetic elements, only that they differ somewhat in proportion - but they don't have the large SSA admixture DR has.



What makes you believe that the DR would be among the leaders of the Caribbean and/or Latin America?

The fact that, unlike most Latin American places, it began it's national existence with the gap between criollos and pardos not being as wider as in the heartlands of the viceroyalties (México, Perú, New Granada and Buenos Aires), so the space to have had a normal existence (without having to make military levies to address invasions) would have been greater.

[Tooting Carmen]

The fact that, unlike most Latin American places, it began it's national existence with the gap between criollos and pardos not being as wider as in the heartlands of the viceroyalties (México, Perú, New Granada and Buenos Aires), so the space to have had a normal existence (without having to make military levies to address invasions) would have been greater.

Or to put it another way: the White population in DR was even smaller and even the elites were browner/blacker than their counterparts elsewhere in the Continent.

[axel.aleman]

I am aware of the brutality of the Haitian Revolution (though ironically it was probably no more so than the Revolution of its former colonial master), but the point is that there are lots of other Caribbean countries which are more-or-less as homogeneously Black that are economically and politically nothing like it.

Te acabas de autocontestar, los del Caribe inglés no son tan mala gente como los haitianos

[Andullero]

Or to put it another way: the White population in DR was even smaller and even the elites were browner/blacker than their counterparts elsewhere in the Continent.

Not Bolivia-Guate tier (criollos were 25% of the pop at the moment of the haitian occupation), but they were indeed poorer.

[axel.aleman]

Not Bolivia-Guate tier (criollos were 25% of the pop at the moment of the haitian occupation), but they were indeed poorer.

Igualmente es innegable que ustedes tienen mucha más sangre europea que Bolivia y Guatemala, aún con la ocupación haitiana que mato parte de la población blanca y mulata

[Andullero]

Te acabas de autocontestar, los del Caribe inglés no son tan mala gente como los haitianos

Y en esas islas del Caribe inglés todavía las elites coloniales y la metrópolis ejercen influencia directa (aun en la republicana Barbados). Mientras que París solo puede esconder la cara tan pronto el tema de su antigua colonia sale a colación.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not Bolivia-Guate tier (criollos were 25% of the pop at the moment of the haitian occupation), but they were indeed poorer.

I doubt pure Whites were that high, that would make DR like Chile.

[Andullero]

I doubt pure Whites were that high, that would make DR like Chile.

Not necessarily. What it tells you is that most mixing happened during and post-independence. But Canarian presence here at those numbers was a real thing, dude. Otherwise the French and Haitians would have been able to push the line farther East, so depopulated we were. I myself am only three generations removed from pure ancestors, and I am far from being the only one here.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not necessarily. What it tells you is that most mixing happened during and post-independence. But Canarian presence here at those numbers was a real thing, dude. Otherwise the French and Haitians would have been able to push the line farther East, so depopulated we were. I myself am only three generations removed from pure ancestors, and I am far from being the only one here.

So was the White population substantially reduced more due to the Haitian invasion or more due to mixing with Blacks and Mulattoes?

[Andullero]

So was the White population substantially reduced more due to the Haitian invasion or more due to mixing with Blacks and Mulattoes?

A combination of both, with a slight edge on emigration. This one has been our curse ever since the Crown decreed the destruction of the western towns to prevent the colonists from smuggling/trading with Anglos, French and Dutch (at which it failed).