Human Development Index by Latin American nation 2024

[Andullero]

Colombia below Peru surprises me... but then again they voted for Petro.

Colombia's Gini coefficient seems to be worse positioned than Peru's one, even, although I need to see the latest data, since the last one collected on each is of 2021.

[Tooting Carmen]

Colombia's Gini coefficient seems to be worse positioned than Peru's one, even, although I need to see the latest data, since the last one collected on each is of 2021.

In contrast to the likes of Haiti and Somalia, which can be described as "disorganised chaos", Colombia in many ways is the epitome of "organised chaos" and, as perverse as this sounds, in many ways thrives from it. However brutal and ruthless the guerrillas/drug cartels/paramilitaries are, at the same time they still ensure a reasonable amount of employment and investment in their respective turfs and thus keep the country plodding along.

[Andullero]

In contrast to the likes of Haiti and Somalia, which can be described as "disorganised chaos", Colombia in many ways is the epitome of "organised chaos" and, as perverse as this sounds, in many ways thrives from it. However brutal and ruthless the guerrillas/drug cartels/paramilitaries are, at the same time they still ensure a reasonable amount of employment and investment in their respective turfs and thus keep the country plodding along.

I'm actually amazed at how them Colombos avoided the captain general/caudillo craze of the rest of the region, although one could argue that this has come from the strenght and guild-like spirit of their elite more than anything else, which served as counterbalance to any Caesaristic impulses of a Rojas Pinilla and the like.

[Tooting Carmen]

I'm actually amazed at how them Colombos avoided the captain general/caudillo craze of the rest of the region, although one could argue that this has come from the strenght and guild-like spirit of their elite more than anything else, which served as counterbalance to any Ceasaristic impulses of a Rojas Pinilla and the like.

Colombians are actually a pretty serious and entrepeneurial people; the problem is they don't use said entrepeneurialism necessarily in the most lawful or constructive manner. And their seriousness has to some extent meant that their democratic institutions (however abused and imperfect) have largely survived throughout the decades too. Furthermore, like what you said about Dominicans in their early post-Independence era, I am (in a qualified sense) proud of the multiracial nature of Colombian society - while there is a certain link between colour and class, my impression is that it is not as marked as in some other countries in the region: you can find peasants and shantytown dwellers with blonde hair and blue eyes, and more than a few wealthy businesspeople and professionals who are as dark as Gujaratis and even Ghanaians.

[axel.aleman]

Colombians are actually a pretty serious and entrepeneurial people; the problem is they don't use said entrepeneurialism necessarily in the most lawful or constructive manner. And their seriousness has to some extent meant that their democratic institutions (however abused and imperfect) have largely survived throughout the decades too. Furthermore, like what you said about Dominicans in their early post-Independence era, I am (in a qualified sense) proud of the multiracial nature of Colombian society - while there is a certain link between colour and class, my impression is that it is not as marked as in some other countries in the region: you can find peasants and shantytown dwellers with blonde hair and blue eyes, and more than a few wealthy businesspeople and professionals who are as dark as Gujaratis and even Ghanaians.

Se muy bien como tratan a las poblaciones Triraciales marrones de la Costa Caribe Colombiana y no es de la mejor forma

[Andullero]

The more I have learnt about Cuba, the more put off by the regime I have become. I used to be a qualified supporter of it, but really it is just an impoverished totalitarian dictatorship, and blaming everything on the embargo won't wash either.

I occasionally indulge in some self-criticism about the limitations of strongman rule from the right. Regretably, the unseriousness of our liberal democracy makes it so that these occasions are few and far between.

[Tooting Carmen]

Se muy bien como tratan a las poblaciones Triraciales marrones de la Costa Caribe Colombiana y no es de la mejor forma

There are some snobbish and racist elitist types, but I wouldn't say they are any more prevalent than in many other countries, and the point is that the Black and Mulatto middle-classes are actually quite sizeable (certainly compared to Brazil, for example, where even in Bahia it is not that common to find Black professionals).

[Incal]

Perú benefits from having largely combated its guerrillas, which Colombia still hasn't 100%. Although the FARC has officially stood down, there are plenty of dissidents who have gone onto form their own gangs.

Colombia's Gini coefficient seems to be worse positioned than Peru's one, even, although I need to see the latest data, since the last one collected on each is of 2021.

So it's probably violence related? It's a possibility...

[Tooting Carmen]

So it's probably violence related? It's a possibility...

Have you met any Colombians in Peru? I am not saying that they'd be anything like as numerous as the Venezuelans who've gone there in recent years, but have you met some even so?

[Tooting Carmen]

I occasionally indulge in some self-criticism about the limitations of strongman rule from the right. Regretably, the unseriousness of our liberal democracy makes it so that these occasions are few and far between.

Yes, I still cannot get past your praise for Franco and Trujillo.