People with highest Yamnaya %?

**Voskos** · 03-18-2024, 08:05 PM

Lol@people constantly larping something they're not. Eastern Hunter gatherer =/= Yamnaya =/= Corded Ware =/= WHG =/= generic steppe ancestry.

**ScandinavianCelt** · 03-18-2024, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Katarzyna

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 6.2392% / 0.06239208
52.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
17.6 WHG

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 5.8980% / 0.05897991
55.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
16.2 WHG
0.2 Mongolia_North_N

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.5204% / 0.04520403
52.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
12.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

**~~kingmob~~** · 03-18-2024, 08:13 PM

If you are Greek/Albanian/Armenian and you want to measure your autosomals in comparison to the ancestral population of your Yamnaya-speaking linguistic ancestors, the following are relatively good proxies:

Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya for Greeks and Albanians.

Armenia_Lchashen_LBA for Armenians (or generic Armenia_EBA secondly).

**Dušan** · 03-18-2024, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

I had this one saved in my laptop if anyone wants to compare:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 3.1395% / 0.03139546
50.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
39.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Code:

Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437


Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028


IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566
ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps,0.1007335,0.133034,-0.069956,-0.0431205,-0.0509325,-0.009343,0.009283,-0.0119995,-0.0674925,-0.016857,0.0038975,0.0128885,-0.019623,0.0059865,0.0041395,-0.0096125,-0.0001305,-0.0031035,-0.000754,0.0010005,0.0038685,0.0009895,-0.0036975,-0.008073,-0.001497




Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045




Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:"Onge",-0.0225251,-0.2445288,-0.1324289,0.095965,0.0299327,-0.0047557,-0.0076438,0.0075786,0.0548233,0.0244388,0.023495,0.0032182,-0.0040608,0.0084746,-0.0126933,-0.0111446,0.010918,-0.0016203,-0.0059807,0.0288295,-0.0037107,0.0096905,-0.0128242,-0.0011225,0.0043426
Mongolia_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013709,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0096995


West_African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0.0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561,0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.8347% / 0.05834668
47.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
43.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

**celticdragongod** · 03-18-2024, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

This is all you need for Samara test:

TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N,0.1181049,0.1812478,0.0024244 ,-0.100484,0.0518483,-0.0468005,-0.0050917,-0.0071866,0.0366683,0.081182,0.0085293,0.0118038,-0.0232901,0.0009437,-0.0412654,-0.009155,0.0223267,0.0006696,0.0116241,-0.0095938,-0.0132444,0.0059706,-0.0044663,-0.0033969,-0.0055028
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658

Try it out.

Samara-only:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.6642% / 0.04664193
52.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.0 France_Rochedane

If you add all Ancient Yamnaya Pop Ave to the above instead of only Samara, results will change for some, so depends what you are measuring I guess.

My Yamnaya goes up to 66.8% if adding all averaged samples:

All Yamnaya:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.1412% / 0.04141192
34.8 Yamnaya_BGR
22.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
17.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
11.0 France_Rochedane
10.0 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
4.8 Yamnaya_SRB

Additional samples for full Yamnaya:

Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0. 003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash,0.122929,0.08632,0.039598,0.1 0756,-0.020619,0.046854,0.000705,-0.010384,-0.059107,-0.070525,-0.00682,0.002698,-0.005798,-0.027525,0.040445,0.0179,0.002868,-0.005954,-0.006662,0.009379,-0.011105,-0.003833,0.008874,0.026269,-0.00958
Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.1178 96,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018 117,0.016629,-0.004071
Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus,0.1143922,0.0817502,0.02687,0 .1072365,-0.0412385,0.0389052,0.001704,-0.0082498,-0.0637605,-0.0773138,-0.0016645,-0.005208,-0.0013378,-0.023602,0.034371,0.0076903,-0.0083445,-0.001425,-0.005185,0.0069408,-0.0024332,0.0033078,0.005115,0.0127125,-0.0052988
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0 .1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
Yamnaya_SRB,0.127482,0.099522,0.042992,0.082042,-0.014464,0.03765,0.028436,0.002077,-0.038041,-0.068339,-0.001624,-0.002098,-0.009366,-0.019542,0.028637,0.026783,0.010561,-0.007728,-0.007039,0.012756,-0.011105,-0.013478,0.008751,0.030727,-0.010059
Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285 ,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o,0.1161,0.099522,0.000754,0.043 605,-0.028005,0.016176,0.00611,0.001615,-0.04745,-0.039181,-0.00065,0.005395,-0.003419,-0.008395,0.020765,0.01432,0.009388,-0.003167,-0.002011,0.00988,-0.005865,0.004946,-0.003204,0.005061,0.002754

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183176 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21733792 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.33477902 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.6267% / 0.05626659
50.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.6 France_Rochedane

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.07207103 Yamnaya_BGR
0.12604143 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.12621757 Yamnaya_SRB
0.14768153 Yamnaya_UKR
0.14862077 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
0.15046624 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
0.15183176 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.16476648 Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus
0.16733696 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21733792 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.33477902 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3324% / 0.05332388
27.8 Yamnaya_SRB
25.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
22.8 Yamnaya_BGR
12.0 France_Rochedane:Rochedane
11.8 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke

**Voskos** · 03-18-2024, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by kingmob

If you are Greek/Albanian/Armenian and you want to measure your autosomals in comparison to the ancestral population of your Yamnaya-speaking linguistic ancestors, the following are relatively good proxies:

Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya for Greeks and Albanians.

Armenia_Lchashen_LBA for Armenians (or generic Armenia_EBA secondly).

34% Yamna, not bad for an island GreeK.

Target:
Distance: 2.0375% / 0.02037468
34.0 Greece_Manika_Helladic_EBA.SG
26.0 Armenia_Lchashen_LBA
14.0 Israel_Natufian
8.4 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
8.4 Czech_CordedWare
6.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
2.8 Estonia_BA.SG
0.4 Iran_GanjDareh_N

**Rafael Passoni** · 03-18-2024, 08:28 PM

Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 2.6428% / 0.02642777
65.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
30.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

**~~kingmob~~** · 03-18-2024, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Voskos

34% Yamna, not bad for an island GreeK.

99% of these calculators floating around are for the trash bin. I could demonstrate using f-stats, but I cba and I also think most people wouldn't get it either due to bias/cognitive dissonance. If anyone is genuinely interested in figuring it out, they should start with my admixtools tutorial on this website.

I hope yours are adjusted accordingly for the future, the least people can do is pick the correct ancestral populations for their own geographical group.