People with highest Yamnaya %?

[Kess]

Do you use the FTDNA data or Genotek? FTDNA is definitely better unless you have downloaded the V3 version from Genotek.

He has too low ANF. How come?

[lockdownboredom]

He has too low ANF. How come?

Inclusion of a Bronze Age sample

Target: ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
Distance: 3.3434% / 0.03343354
44.0 Georgia_Kotias.SG
35.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
19.6 Iran_GanjDareh_N
1.0 Jordan_Late_PPNB

[Nurzat]

knowing that Yamnaya were about half Caucasus and half Eastern European genetically, (50% CHG + 50% EHG), we can look at what other ancestry these components hide.

EHG (Eastern Hunter-Gatherer) was a mix of ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) and WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherer).
CHG (Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer) was a mix of Basal Eurasian and ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

it will be hard to tell through what populations precisely each of us got our WHG, EHG, CHG, ANE, EEF (which stems from Basal Eurasian as well and is most similar to Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers which had some WHG as well, then to Natufians in the Levant) etc, some of these components being a mix of the other components in the same list.

if we make a calculator and we use Yamnaya as a component, some of the peoples that will show high Yamnaya ancestry maybe don't even have much of it from Yamnaya, because they just have ancestry from common ancestors of theirs and Yamnaya's (like Caucasus populations for the CHG genes and Uralic populations for the EHG genes, which they inherited not from Yamnaya, but from their ancestors whose "cousins" had contributed to Yamnaya).

[cass]

knowing that Yamnaya were about half Caucasus and half Eastern European genetically, (50% CHG + 50% EHG), we can look at what other ancestry these components hide...

It's more like 5EHG/3CHG, to be precise.

[Nurzat]

It's more like 5EHG/3CHG, to be precise.

there was individual variation, plus Samara are not the only WSH population to consider - some may want to consider later Yamnaya developments, which may be more relevant to their region, and those have various other mixes they picked up on the way there as well. each new development meant they mixed with other populations along. not to mention that the core population from which they exploded in all directions weren't Samara but the earlier Sredny Stog, for which Samara was an eastward development.

also, I don't know if using Anatolian Neolithic to draw direct mixture is alright for Yamnaya, as that cannot be directly from Anatolia, but either through Caucasus, who in their time probably already had some EEF-like admix, either through contact with Cucuteni/Globular Amphora EEF-like populations that stretched to Ukraine.

so it's broadly 50-50 as direct ancestry, while if you wish to trace older components, that have mixed to create EHG and CHG, I already said about WHG, ANE and Basal Eurasian, that are the basis of EHG/CHG - CHG had older ANE as EHG had more recent ANE

[cass]

there was individual variation, plus Samara are not the only WSH population to consider - some may want to consider later Yamnaya developments, which may be more relevant to their region, and those have various other mixes they picked up on the way there as well. each new development meant they mixed with other populations along. not to mention that the core population from which they exploded in all directions weren't Samara but the earlier Sredny Stog, for which Samara was an eastward development.

also, I don't know if using Anatolian Neolithic to draw direct mixture is alright for Yamnaya, as that cannot be directly from Anatolia, but either through Caucasus, who in their time probably already had some EEF-like admix, either through contact with Cucuteni/Globular Amphora EEF-like populations that stretched to Ukraine.

so it's broadly 50-50 as direct ancestry, while if you wish to trace older components, that have mixed to create EHG and CHG, I already said about WHG, ANE and Basal Eurasian, that are the basis of EHG/CHG - CHG had older ANE as EHG had more recent ANE

Even if you remove all Middle Eastern elements from the calculator, the original (east of Romania) Pit Grave culture samples remains at 56 /42.



For Corded samples is at 2/1 level in favor of EHG.

[cass]

Analysis of modern samples from Northwest Europe indicates that the regressive factor is the Neolithic element. Obviously, the further north you go, the smaller the number of Neolithic is . Scandinavia has a ratio of 3.5 EHG/1CHG. Much higher then in Corded. For areas of northern Britain the ratio is 3/1.
For southwestern French the ratio increases to 4/1.

[Nurzat]

Analysis of modern samples from Northwest Europe indicates that the regressive factor is the Neolithic element. Obviously, the further north you go, the smaller the number of Neolithic is . Scandinavia has a ratio of 3.5 EHG/1CHG. Much higher then in Corded. For areas of northern Britain the ratio is 3/1.
For southwestern French the ratio increases to 4/1.

Basques have most WHG together with Latvians/Lithuanians - in this run the EHG hides their WHG as well (since EHG is 30-to-40% WHG and 60-70% ANE roughly)

the most similar to EEF is not Natufian but the Anatolian HGs - the direct ancestors of the Anatolian farmers who started pouring into Europe. they already had some WHG admix and Sardinians are still very close to them to this day.

Turkey_Epipaleolithic:ZBC_IPB001.B-C0101_Luk2-Pinarbasi,0.114961,0.167562,0.03017,-0.08075,0.072629,-0.039881,-0.00047,0.000231,0.046836,0.083282,0.004222,0.007793,-0.02215,-0.011836,-0.041123,-0.003845,0.043027,0.00114,0.008799,-0.004252,-0.011729,0.006801,-0.006286,-0.010122,-0.007784

using this then you can see how all of Europe is getting a lot of Neolithic, and it's more accurate, I think, since the profile of the Neolithic farmers in Europe is around Sardinian-like coordinates (like this Anatolia HG above, or Vinča, Cucuteni-Tripolye, Globular Amphora etc). so Pınarbaşı hides some WHG as well. my point again, it's so hard now to delimit in any European what % WHG they inherited from West Asia through EEF, what % through admix in Western Europe or elsewhere between actual WHGs and Pınarbaşı-like folks etc. same with each other component - no way to know what % of ANE in a Southern European is via Yamnaya and what % via CHG etc. and EHG is just a WHG-ANE mix forming a cline from WHG through Scando HG - Baltic HG - EHG - to Northeast Eurasian ANEs

[Frotous]

Me. According to G25 calculator my closest ancient population is yamnaya.

[Frotous]