Are Spaniards closer to French or Italians?

[Flashball]

K13 et K15 sont meilleurs pour évaluer une différence régionale je pense, mais bon apparemment tout le monde est convaincu qu'il ne faut plus utiliser autre chose que G25 parce que c'est plus récent.

Il n'y a pas assez d'échantillons de sorte que mon père picard se retrouve plus proches d'Anglais que de Français alors qu'il est génétiquement plus proche de Français du Nord et Centre que d'Anglais.

[tita]

The truth is that taking into account that in Europe it goes more or less from light to medium, from olive to part of tans, I prefer much more morphology, taxonomy or bone structure when it comes to e.t.c. classifications, since you will not find a European with tones of latitudes where they are really dark and I do not think that at this point I am contaminated by the perception or perceptions that classifications, since you won't find a European with tones of latitudes where they are really dark and I don't think that at this point I am contaminated by the perception or perceptions that we should never adopt in Europe; although intentionally there could be someone or people who could be interested in adopting such perceptions for a kind of reciprocal identification between America and its countries, so it would be a partisan act and of particular interests that would have nothing to do with an objective opinion.

I am not meaning white this way... But mentally

[Damião de Góis]

That makes sense. Portuguese and the more Southern/Eastern end of the Iberian cluster are significantly closer to French_Provence than other French regions. Are these full ethnic North Italians and not French-admixed? It appears to be just more Italian shifted than Aoste, but likewise French-Italian mixed. The difference from Aoste is also much more of and West-East than North-South difference.

French_Auvergne and French_Bigorre are fairly close to French_Provence for Portuguese or Spanish_Extremadura, so unless you think a difference of 0.025 is significant in G25, then yes, they are significantly closer to French_Provence than to other french regions.

Yeah and Portugueses are often even closer to N.Italians than Spanish are ive noticed, im not sure why that is historically however (defies geography but that, is not that uncommon)

There is no historical reason for this to happen. I believe this happens because of the basques and their position in PCA plots. They are dislocated to the west and the spanish regions closer to basques will be further from north italians than the ones with fewer basque influence, which includes Portugal. Even more considering Portugal has been politically separate since the 12th century and had no basque internal migrations.

I mean, basques are so far west that in my own distances in G25 i appear closer to belgians than to some basques, which is absurd really:

[Gallop]

I am not meaning white this way... But mentally

Mentally it is difficult to know, I don't know enough Italians, in fact I don't know any Italians, in the sense that we frequently meet each other. In reality, the contact with foreigners is virtual, who is in daily contact with foreigners from other European countries, if everyone lives in his country in his circle composed of natives, it is almost easier to see daily foreigners from anywhere in the world than from other European countries.

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

French_Auvergne and French_Bigorre are fairly close to French_Provence for Portuguese or Spanish_Extremadura, so unless you think a difference of 0.025 is significant in G25, then yes, they are significantly closer to French_Provence than to other french regions.



There is no historical reason for this to happen. I believe this happens because of the basques and their position in PCA plots. They are dislocated to the west and the spanish regions closer to basques will be further from north italians than the ones with fewer basque influence, which includes Portugal. Even more considering Portugal has been politically separate since the 12th century and had no basque internal migrations.

I mean, basques are so far west that in my own distances in G25 i appear closer to belgians than to some basques, which is absurd really:

what G25 calculator was this ?

[Beowulf]

what G25 calculator was this ?

https://justpaste.it/bpwho

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

https://justpaste.it/bpwho

thanks bruv

[Damião de Góis]

what G25 calculator was this ?

It's not really a calculator but a portion of my distances to all populations. You can get it here, it's one of the links (Global25 pop averages modern scaled):

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...obal25_12.html

[Eurafricanid]

Most of the Spanish populations are closer to French than Italians (I'm not considering Provence):


Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02460827 French_Bigorre
0.02554878 French_South
0.02811307 French_Bearn
0.02864624 French_Chalosse
0.02903755 French_Auvergne
0.02935059 French_Provence
0.02959601 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03113622 Italian_Bergamo
0.03135431 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03205737 French_Occitanie


With the obvious exception of the Balearics and two other weird ones:


Distance to: Spanish_Murcia
0.03110604 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03176709 French_Bigorre
0.03198286 French_Provence
0.03205436 Italian_Bergamo
0.03270021 French_South
0.03375084 Italian_Veneto
0.03382321 French_Auvergne
0.03462821 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03550691 French_Bearn
0.03557130 Italian_Lombardy


Distance to: Spanish_Extremadura
0.03283822 French_Provence
0.03484652 Italian_Bergamo
0.03500731 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03586724 Italian_Veneto
0.03619128 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03650159 French_Auvergne
0.03710303 French_Bigorre
0.03720868 French_South
0.03750554 Italian_Piedmont
0.03758292 Italian_Lombardy



JFF, my euro 1/2 is very similar to the Menorcan:


Distance to: Eurafricanid-EU
0.02536405 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02546727 Italian_Veneto
0.02661283 Italian_Bergamo
0.02779732 French_Provence
0.02780547 Italian_Piedmont
0.02868572 Italian_Lombardy
0.03058040 French_Corsica
0.03121711 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03207736 Italian_Emilia
0.03339738 Italian_Liguria


Distance to: Spanish_Menorca
0.02237521 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02518129 Italian_Bergamo
0.02556130 Italian_Veneto
0.02719442 French_Provence
0.02729931 Italian_Lombardy
0.03011133 French_Auvergne
0.03035149 Italian_Piedmont
0.03041169 Italian_Liguria
0.03044622 French_Bigorre
0.03094800 Italian_Aosta_Valley

[Laredo]

Most of the Spanish populations are closer to French than Italians (I'm not considering Provence):


Distance to: Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.02460827 French_Bigorre
0.02554878 French_South
0.02811307 French_Bearn
0.02864624 French_Chalosse
0.02903755 French_Auvergne
0.02935059 French_Provence
0.02959601 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03113622 Italian_Bergamo
0.03135431 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03205737 French_Occitanie


With the obvious exception of the Balearics and two other weird ones:


Distance to: Spanish_Murcia
0.03110604 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03176709 French_Bigorre
0.03198286 French_Provence
0.03205436 Italian_Bergamo
0.03270021 French_South
0.03375084 Italian_Veneto
0.03382321 French_Auvergne
0.03462821 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03550691 French_Bearn
0.03557130 Italian_Lombardy


Distance to: Spanish_Extremadura
0.03283822 French_Provence
0.03484652 Italian_Bergamo
0.03500731 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03586724 Italian_Veneto
0.03619128 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03650159 French_Auvergne
0.03710303 French_Bigorre
0.03720868 French_South
0.03750554 Italian_Piedmont
0.03758292 Italian_Lombardy



JFF, my euro 1/2 is very similar to the Menorcan:


Distance to: Eurafricanid-EU
0.02536405 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02546727 Italian_Veneto
0.02661283 Italian_Bergamo
0.02779732 French_Provence
0.02780547 Italian_Piedmont
0.02868572 Italian_Lombardy
0.03058040 French_Corsica
0.03121711 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03207736 Italian_Emilia
0.03339738 Italian_Liguria


Distance to: Spanish_Menorca
0.02237521 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.02518129 Italian_Bergamo
0.02556130 Italian_Veneto
0.02719442 French_Provence
0.02729931 Italian_Lombardy
0.03011133 French_Auvergne
0.03035149 Italian_Piedmont
0.03041169 Italian_Liguria
0.03044622 French_Bigorre
0.03094800 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Very Interesting man! What about the Portuguese?