Are Spaniards closer to French or Italians?

[Flashball]

Aosta Valley = already french shifted
Also some Gaulish are already "basque shifted"

Iron Age France = Basque-like (excess of WHG) to non-basque like French
But doesn't means "iberian admix", just means excess of WHG.

So, SouthWestern French with a more basque shifted = close to some Gaulish with excess of WHG = continuity
Post-Iron Age Spain = differents clusters (basque-like, to non basque-like french, to east-med shifted, to maghrebi shift).

This is a real ethnic provençal sample:
SouthEast(BassesAlpes+Gard),0.128446890454,0.14643 596817100002,0.050327536179399994,0.01843725885999 9764,0.04487612929900001,0.007267012774639993,0.00 22990115859999848,0.00412871612200006,0.0141687300 86999877,0.021325050707999928,-0.004427248554908001,0.005683112051999999,-0.013426734105999996,-0.003294282277999605,0.007530541863000048,0.001109 6216029999606,-0.0018028960980001688,0.0005702859510000116,0.0019 364245190000035,-0.0010191844014000064,0.0027215043320005794,-0.0012782695240000017,-0.0006908925550000149,0.00007200613299994038,0.000 4227839989997123

This is a Drome sample (ethnic) close to the Provence area:
SouthEast(Drome),0.127855,0.147959,0.046363,0.0150 56,0.045189,0.004697,0.001731,0.003125,0.013990,0. 023200,-0.005655,0.007199,-0.015691,-0.004901,0.008048,0.001329,-0.000895,0.000547,0.002721,-0.001087,0.002411,-0.000807,-0.000590,0.003119,-0.000249

Target: SouthEasternDrome)
Distance: 3.2062% / 0.03206152
52.6 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG(99%Cov)
37.6 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya(77to93%Cov)
9.8 WHGVillabruna(75%Cov)

Target: SouthEasternBassesAlpes+Gard)
Distance: 3.0993% / 0.03099314
51.2 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG(99%Cov)
38.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya(77to93%Cov)
10.8 WHGVillabruna(75%Cov)

Target: SouthEasternBassesAlpes+Gard)
Distance: 3.4791% / 0.03479087
50.2 TUR_Barcin_N
36.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.8 WHG

Target: SouthEasternDrome)
Distance: 3.5262% / 0.03526229
51.8 TUR_Barcin_N
35.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.6 WHG

[Flashball]

Yeah and Portugueses are often even closer to N.Italians than Spanish are ive noticed, im not sure why that is historically however (defies geography but that, is not that uncommon)

It's possible that such in a big town like Nice, they have a few percents of French, like Corsicans might have too, but from genetics they should be almost entirely North Italian like and very similar to the N.Italians in the area on the other side of the border. The reason is that town became French only relatively recently.

Herault:
LaurentArnaud(98%HeraultGard+2%Lozère),0.124110,0. 146477,0.038659,0.008606,0.037757,0.004465,0.00139 0,0.003143,0.011191,0.019408,-0.003214,0.004468,-0.011735,-0.003271,0.005584,0.001681,-0.001846,0.000959,0.003180,-0.003534,0.000549,-0.001438,0.000031,0.002371,0.000997

[Flashball]

It's not so surprising because "French_south" is only the beige regions below on this pca, and even the "Haute Garonne" region (+ symbol) are already back in the main French cluster. "Pyrenées Atlantiques" region is basically half French, half Basque.









The only region that is actually shifted towards Spain there is "Hautes-Pyrenées" at the border. I guess the Catalans from "Pyrenées Orientales" most likely as well.

Je pense que certains échantillons à excès de WHG qui sont modélisables avec des populations modernes comme en partie bascoide pourraient être en fait modélisable avec des échantillons gaulois avec excès de WHG.

[Petalpusher]

Je pense que certains échantillons à excès de WHG qui sont modélisables avec des populations modernes comme en partie bascoide pourraient être en fait modélisable avec des échantillons gaulois avec excès de WHG.

K13 et K15 sont meilleurs pour évaluer une différence régionale je pense, mais bon apparemment tout le monde est convaincu qu'il ne faut plus utiliser autre chose que G25 parce que c'est plus récent.

[Regnera]

Genotype:SW French.
Phenotype:Italians.

[tita]

They are definetly more similar to spaniards, because of a larger yamnaya component like french

[Gallop]

Genotype:SW French.
Phenotype:Italians.

This is not strictly true.

[Gallop]

In general, Spaniards are close to the rest of Europeans, as it could not be otherwise.

Since we have 17 regions quite homogeneous for what is seen in other countries, finally and in the first place the Spaniards are closer to other Spaniards. As for the closeness with other Europeans, the South of France, Italy, Portugal, Andorra hehe, well there will always be some region that will be a little closer to one or another or any individual even through so many particular histories, but still it is not a significant fact.

[tita]

This is not strictly true.

It is not true at all, spaniards are totally different of italians, i would describe spaniards like more white than italians

[Gallop]

It is not true at all, spaniards are totally different of italians, i would describe spaniards like more white than italians

The truth is that taking into account that in Europe it goes more or less from light to medium, from olive to part of tans, I prefer much more morphology, taxonomy or bone structure when it comes to e.t.c. classifications, since you will not find a European with tones of latitudes where they are really dark and I do not think that at this point I am contaminated by the perception or perceptions that classifications, since you won't find a European with tones of latitudes where they are really dark and I don't think that at this point I am contaminated by the perception or perceptions that we should never adopt in Europe; although intentionally there could be someone or people who could be interested in adopting such perceptions for a kind of reciprocal identification between America and its countries, so it would be a partisan act and of particular interests that would have nothing to do with an objective opinion.