World Happiness Report for young people

[Varda]

Present day younger and middle aged Krajina Serbs are pretty equalized in that with Serbia Serbs. Most of Krajina Serbs live and many are born and raised in Serbia. I spoke about tradition. Krajina Serbs traditionally have poor music tradition. As i said our traditional dances (gluva kola) and and singing (ojkanje) are without music. They is very few Krajina Serb singer which are popular in wider serbdoom, on the other hand there is tons of Bosnian and Serbia Serbs singer popular from Vardar to Triglav. Krajina Serb singers are mostly limited at modern Krajina music which is mix of modern sounds and traditional Krajina singing ojkanje. Baja Mali Knindža has become popular across serbdoom but in the recent years, earlier his music was only popular among Krajina and Bosnian Serbs to some degree.

An example of modern Krajina Serb music.

[protos]

As a Serb from Krajina, I'm a pretty musical person and I love dancing, but the funny thing is that I know what your relatives meant when they compared the Serbs from Serbia to gypsies when it comes to celebrations/parties. I've got a great disdain towards certain music genres that are very present in Serbia, such as the gypsy trumpeters "traditionally" brought to celebrations, as well as music heavily influenced by Turkish and Oriental rhythms and instruments, present in folk/turbofolk. The only way such music can be properly danced to is exclusivelly through, imo, carnal, provocative and lustful movements - which have a gypsy vibe to them, but are very present in the middle east and countries like Armenia, Turkey and such. The movements I have in mind is twirling of the body, the hands, provocative hips thrusts/movements and belly-dancing, which is typical for Arab countries. I think this explains the fact that when such music is playing, most people feel too uncomfortable to dance, and instead just clap or stomp their feet. Dancing requires you to let go and let your body become some sort of medium for the music, which is extremely inapproriate and awkward with such music, especially for men. Maybe Serbs from Krajina have a bigger disdain for such music and dances due to them not being under the Turkish cultural influence.

Give some example of Oriental music you are referring to

[Dušan]

Yes. But still wider popular Krajina Serbs singers are rare, even those who are popular are born and raised outside of Krajina. On the hand there are many Bosnian and Serbia Serb singers which are popular across former Yugoslavia and they born and raised in own villages such as Mitar Mirić, Mile Kitić, Miloš Bojanić, Miroslav Ilić, Ceca etc.

Of course you are wrong.
There are several Krajina Serbs from West Bosnia who are widely and very popular singers: brothers Saša and Dejan Matić from Drvar, Marinko and his son Nikola Rokvić from Bosanski Petrovac, Jovan Perišić from Ključ.

I dont know what is happening to you in recent period trying to divide Serbian people on regional basis.
You are frustrated with something.

[protos]

An example of modern Krajina Serb music.

Its kind of simple. Electric guitars instead of traditional instruments just make it worse.

[Streyndza]

Sure, we as former citizens of Austrian empire, listen only Mozart.

No need for any "cultur-racism" toward other regions, all areas where Serbs lived were under Ottoman rule in some times in history, including areas in Krajina.

You're missing the point like the others who confronted Varda; this isn't a matter of being "culturally racist" towards Serbs from Serbia, it's merely an objective observation about the cultural differences. The map you've provided is very nice and it goes to show the fact that an Ottoman influence would undoubtedly be far greater in Southern Serbia and modern-day Macedonia (Old Serbia), than in Vojvodina and Krajina, considering the great difference in the length of the Ottoman occupation. We were talking about music, and like others have noted, musicality was underdeveloped in Krajina (which is apparent to this very day), and I wasn't saying that we listen to Mozzart, but rather that we're less predisposed towards listening to music filled with Middle-Eastern and Oriental influences. The regional differences are apparent both linguistically and musically, although I'm happy to notice a trend of younger generations using less and less turkish loanwords.

[Streyndza]

Give some example of Oriental music you are referring to

I'll refrain from sending folk/turbofolk music of the 90s and 2000s; heck, even some mainstream artists exhibit such musical leanings, and I'm sure you'll find plenty of songs by Seka Aleksic, Ceca and many others who are examples of this influence, in both the instrumentals and the vocals. I'll provide some links from the Southern parts of our lands, which are notably older, and predate even the 1960s, which Varda was talking about.


https://youtu.be/ttg9MyhWwMk?si=nh0tB57jUXJsF8Gj

https://youtu.be/1GcC110xrb8?si=BJq0FlnnGvXW0Js9

https://youtu.be/mvCsENLgvd0?si=7iRwvVgZlvwIFZXe

[Voskos]

In the Middle Ages, the Balkans had 3 cultural substrates that intermixed : Ancient Balkanic, Eastern Roman (Anatolian and South Italian), Slavic.



The ''oriental'' is definitely not ottoman.

[Scarface F]

In the Middle Ages, the Balkans had 3 cultural substrates that intermixed : Ancient Balkanic, Eastern Roman (Anatolian and South Italian), Slavic.



The ''oriental'' is definitely not ottoman.

Map is completely incorrect regarding Croatia.

[Dušan]

You're missing the point like the others who confronted Varda; this isn't a matter of being "culturally racist" towards Serbs from Serbia, it's merely an objective observation about the cultural differences. The map you've provided is very nice and it goes to show the fact that an Ottoman influence would undoubtedly be far greater in Southern Serbia and modern-day Macedonia (Old Serbia), than in Vojvodina and Krajina, considering the great difference in the length of the Ottoman occupation. We were talking about music, and like others have noted, musicality was underdeveloped in Krajina (which is apparent to this very day), and I wasn't saying that we listen to Mozzart, but rather that we're less predisposed towards listening to music filled with Middle-Eastern and Oriental influences. The regional differences are apparent both linguistically and musically, although I'm happy to notice a trend of younger generations using less and less turkish loanwords.

How do you know who is predisposed to listen what kind of music? It is on individual level.
No, we are not different than the others Serbs, there are also some turkish loanwords among Krajina Serb vocabulary.
Some surnames that are typical Krajina Serb are Slavicized form (ends with -ić) from Turkish loanwords.
So leave that cultural racism.

[Dušan]

In the Middle Ages, the Balkans had 3 cultural substrates that intermixed : Ancient Balkanic, Eastern Roman (Anatolian and South Italian), Slavic.



The ''oriental'' is definitely not ottoman.

Of course there is Byzantine influence in music of Balkan countries.