Why is the alpine race actually less common in the Alps?

[Oliver109]

While some parts of the Alps are alpine like the French and Italian Alps much of the Swiss and Austrian alpine ranges are longer headed and less alpine than the low hills of Bavaria and eastern and central France.

[Russki]

Alpine skulls on the lake Neuchâtel in Switzerland are around 7000-8000 years old, Alpine skulls in the Île-de-France, Auvergne provinces and the Meuse river in France and Wallonia in Belgium are in the timespan of 5000-8000 years old.

A lot of the population movement has happened since then and the racial makeup could have not remained geographically stable.

[Lucas]

While some parts of the Alps are alpine like the French and Italian Alps much of the Swiss and Austrian alpine ranges are longer headed and less alpine than the low hills of Bavaria and eastern and central France.

In the end of XIX century when this concept was born, in Switzerland for example brachycephals were in majority, but then in few decades started the process of debrachycephalization which was good documented in surveys. They were actually mainly meso before WWII. Not sure about Tirol I think this process was at slower pace there. French Alpine range were brachy about this time but also started to be somewhat less shortheaded, although not so much as Switzerland.

[catgeorge]

Not true. It's where they originated

[Immanenz]

Not true. It's where they originated

i think they originated from the balls of Sokrates.

[cass]

In the end of XIX century when this concept was born, in Switzerland for example brachycephals were in majority, but then in few decades started the process of debrachycephalization which was good documented in surveys. They were actually mainly meso before WWII. Not sure about Tirol I think this process was at slower pace there. French Alpine range were brachy about this time but also started to be somewhat less shortheaded, although not so much as Switzerland.

Calcium, iron, phosphorus and aluminum in the diet are responsible for the elongation of the skull. On the other hand, silicon [grain products] increases CI. Source: T. Alekseeva. I suspect that the diet of the high mountain pastoralists was more animal-rich than the diet of the hill areas. Certainly, the natural diet of the hill people was also very poor in fish meat.

[Incal]

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[Septentrion]

While some parts of the Alps are alpine like the French and Italian Alps much of the Swiss and Austrian alpine ranges are longer headed and less alpine than the low hills of Bavaria and eastern and central France.

By the way, the Austrians and the Swiss are not an identical people. Let’s start with the Swiss, the reason why the brachycephalic element particularly in the north and west is lower than in the adjacent regions of Germany is because a stronger presence of Nordids. The Nordid element, especially the KN manifests also admixture with the strong Alpinid and Dinarids. Thus yielding to a greater presence of Sub-Nordid (West Alpinid + Nordid) and Norid (Dinarid + Nordid) in their population. Switzerland is more Nordid in race than Germany, but lacks fully as a whole the Cromagnid elements of Northern and Western Germany.
In Austria, the most common phenotype is the Norid. Although there is a strong Dinarid Proper presence as well. A reasonable presence of Sub-Nordids is there. So the presence of Alpine’s there, but more tamed than in Southern Germany or Eastern and Central France where it could be pretty pure. Even a remnant of the Hallstatt Nordid is found in the north. Again here, the Northern European CM forms are virtually absent! This makes up the greatest physical difference between the Austrians and the Germans. Despite the fact that they are both German speakers.

[Septentrion]

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Yes.

[Septentrion]

i think they originated from the balls of Sokrates.

Stop being rude! Hitlerite!