Are the Dutch and NW Germans really the same people?

[Hungarian_master]

Anyway here are pics, Groningen



Some of these people look super northern

The people are from Groningen but obviously this is at least 200km south of there


Bremen DE



Yes these are all Germans, at least the boys on the top row are





Sorry about the 2 Wxxs

Sorry, but I don't see the photos about the Germans! Could you fix it?

[CordedWhelp]

Real question is: which group is more “pure” Ingvaeonic?

[Oliver109]

Sorry, but I don't see the photos about the Germans! Could you fix it?

Yeah ill post here:

[#Oda#]

'Put through the grinder'. I know what you entailing but could you elaborate, bitte?

I referred to the massive movements after WW2, when not much stayed as it had been before. I‘d say, local pre-WW2 populations merely remained the same, even not in rural areas, at least in the West (FRG). In our house were living four families from the East after the war for example (in each room one). In the GDR it might have been somewhat different. And then there has been ofc a lot of movement within the country for the last decades in all directions for job-related reasons, private relaionships or simply just due to the attractions of regions and landscapes.
I have no figures at hand, but they should be easy to find. Not a Cop has some statistics, I saw.

[Watersater79]

I referred to the massive movements after WW2, when not much stayed as it had been before. I‘d say, local pre-WW2 populations merely remained the same, even not in rural areas, at least in the West (FRG). In our house were living four families from the East after the war for example (in each room one). In the GDR it might have been somewhat different. And then there has been ofc a lot of movement within the country for the last decades in all directions for job-related reasons, private relaionships or simply just due to the attractions of regions and landscapes.
I have no figures at hand, but they should be easy to find. Not a Cop has some statistics, I saw.

I wonder if there was a particular 'Baltic German' phenotype. One would imagine the majority of the German communities in Poland and along the Baltic would have had more 'northern' origins? At the end of the day, however diverse Germany is, these were all still 'ethnic' Germans we are talking about.
On a somewhat different note, I don't disagree with the statements made that the Dutch often look more similar to Scandinavians than their immediate neighbors to the east.

[Dandelion]

Of course, people like VVD would look foreign in Germany but this people are of same origin, they resemble each other more than any other people. Dutch=Shortened Deutsch.

Back in the 17th century the Dutch called our language 'Duits' (just like they did the German language, by the way). In the Middle Ages we called it 'Diets'. Hence in English they call our language 'Dutch' and not 'Netherlandish'. We nowadays call German 'Duits' and used to call Dutch 'Nederduits' in the 19th century and nowadays we call it 'Nederlands'.

I like how they call our language 'Nizozemski' in Croatian 'Nizozemščina' in Slovak and 'Nizozemština' in Czech. Literally 'Netherlandish', but then with Slavic etymology.

[Dandelion]

At the German-Dutch border there are even schools where Dutch and German students speak both languages and are taught in the same classes. It's interesting. Belgium only shares a border with Germany in the French-speaking Walloon region (and of course also the German-speaking Ostbelgien, which is part of Wallonia).

[Scarface F]

Dutch don't look that Scandinavian

They look exeggerated Germanic (north and central Dutch I mean), but they have NW block like ancestry too, unlike NW Germans (maybe excluding Frisians who are very northwestern), that makes them really western shifted and they overlap English Germanic types

[Dandelion]

What's also interesting. Flemish mostly intermarry with Dutch people what other nationalities are concerned. Dutch intermarry the most with Germans, followed by Flemish. They share a longer border with Germany. Germans are a similar people.

The Dutch-speaking region with the highest proficiency in French is West-Flanders, because it borders France. Close to the border with Wallonia and Brussels it's also common. We do intermarry more often with Dutch in the end, but it depends per region.

Ultimately, individuality is more important. I have seen many French working in the Netherlands, some even managers and some even speaking Dutch. Vice versa more common. Talked to a French manager yesterday, based in Amsterdam. Also spoke to a French manager in Rotterdam (the one who spoke Dutch). It's also very common for French people from one of their poorest regions, Nord or Pas-de-Calais to work in West-Flanders, but I have known a guy from Lille who works up to The Hague (he actually works mainly in Wallonia, but for a Dutch company based in The Hague, where I met him and where he also often is present).

[Dandelion]

Also spoke to a Francophone woman from Brussels who claims she is Dutch of origin and nationality, but raised in French. Such people also exist. A 'secret Hollander' haha. There is also one Flemish stand-up comedian who has the British nationality, both parents Brits, born in Delft, but raised in Flanders.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Smith



'Secret Brit', born in Holland.