Are the Dutch and NW Germans really the same people?

[Teutone]

Are they generally considered 'the same people'? Or just very similar/closely related (not the same thing). The latter is the only real answer.

Are the Dutch really the same people? Or just an early modern confederation of Franks, Saxons and Frisians? Because they generally are talked of as being one people, despite relatively large differences within.

I can by 100% Guarantee you as Person living not far away from the Netherlands, that I very very often addressed a Dutch person on German cause I thought he is German and that also happens often to Germans in the Netherlands and Dutch people in Germany.

That means people assume the German is a fellow dutchman or vice versa.

[Russki]

Are Dutch closer to English or NW Germans?

I don't trust Davidski's amateur calculators to assess such precise things (it is far more precise than superimposing Dutch and Flemish regions over German regions), and better tools are not available to me.

[Creoda]

I can by 100% Guarantee you as Person living not far away from the Netherlands, that I very very often addressed a Dutch person on German cause I thought he is German and that also happens often to Germans in the Netherlands and Dutch people in Germany.

That means people assume the German is a fellow dutchman or vice versa.

OK, but does that make you 'the same people'? If they didn't speak, many Europeans could be confused for many other European nationalities by people in those countries.

[Teutone]

OK, but does that make you 'the same people'? If they didn't speak many Europeans could be confused for many other European nationalities by people in those countries.

I don't see the dutch as a different ethnicity just like Austrians or German Swiss or American Amish.

Historically they were always considered to be Volksdeutsche.

[Oliver109]

I don't see the dutch as a different ethnicity just like Austrians or German Swiss or American Amish.

Historically they were always considered to be Volksdeutsche.

They speak a completely different language though to German, I think the fact is there is a huge phenotypical difference between France and Flanders so I am certain there is a difference between NL and Germany.

[Teutone]

They speak a completely different language though to German, I think the fact is there is a huge phenotypical difference between France and Flanders so I am certain there is a difference between NL and Germany.

topkek

plus educate yourself about the language family and history of dutch, you might be surprised.

[Tooting Carmen]

In both language and phenotype, the difference between Dutch and German is akin to Portuguese and Spanish.

[Creoda]

I don't see the dutch as a different ethnicity just like Austrians or German Swiss or American Amish.

Historically they were always considered to be Volksdeutsche.

As this is an anthropology section thread I'm leaving ethnicity out of it, hence my question to the OP of whether the Dutch are 'the same people' from North to South. The thread question is ambiguous.

[Oliver109]

In both language and phenotype, the difference between Dutch and German is akin to Portuguese and Spanish.

I would agree wholeheartedly and there are definite differences between both groups though perhaps less so with Galicians.

[Tooting Carmen]

I would agree wholeheartedly and there are definite differences between both groups though perhaps less so with Galicians.

Although both pairings may have slight differences at a group level, individually nearly all Portuguese and Spaniards could pass for the other and likewise Dutch and Germans.