Do you consider Cypriots to be European?

[Sikeliot]

Discuss.

[Logan]

Third option.

[Hess]

yes, I consider them infinitely more European than Muslim Balkanites and Colonials.

[GeistFaust]

yes, I consider them infinitely more European than Muslim Balkanites and Colonials.

I don't know if you can say this. It depends on how we are defining Indo-European in a larger spectrum. If we speak of Colonial peoples they were largely of Indo-European background, some culture remnants remained although they might be a bit corrupted, and the language they speak is an Indo-European one.

Muslim Balkanites might have accepted a religious tradition that is more Eastern and this will affect their mode of culture to some extent or another. That said they are largely of Indo-European background genetically, culturally, and linguistically.

As for the Cypriots its pretty easy to determine that Greek Cypriots are Indo-European while Turkish Cypriots are not. Now the Cypriots of Greeks could have some slight Semitic input but overall they fit more into the Indo-European spectrum of things.

[Logan]

yes, I consider them infinitely more European than Muslim Balkanites and Colonials.

They don't seem to belong together. Some of the latter do, and some do not.

[Hess]

Muslim Balkanites might have accepted a religious tradition that is more Eastern and this will affect their mode of culture to some extent or another. That said they are largely of Indo-European background genetically, culturally, and linguistically

This is a point of much debate both on this forum and in real life. I tend to take the position that their Islamic faith ultimately outweighs their genetics and Indo-European heritage (especially in the case of the Albanians).

[GeistFaust]

This is a point of much debate both on this forum and in real life. I tend to take the position that their Islamic faith ultimately outweighs their genetics and Indo-European heritage (especially in the case of the Albanians).

It could perhaps but what about the Albanians that are Orthodox Christians should we not take them into consideration as well. I do think that they should be exempt from the list. But Islam tends to be just as bad at attempting to undermine the European identity as the Jews have been.

[Odoacer]

yes, I consider them infinitely more European than Muslim Balkanites and Colonials.

Infinitely? You talk about this vague monolithic European mindset which somehow drastically separates us "colonials" from real Europeans. Have you ever provided a thorough definition of it?

This is a point of much debate both on this forum and in real life. I tend to take the position that their Islamic faith ultimately outweighs their genetics and Indo-European heritage (especially in the case of the Albanians).

So the culture of the Greek Cypriots outweighs their rather mixed genetic heritage & extra-European geography, in your view.

To answer the question of the thread, I suppose I find them to be essentially in the same boat as Georgians & Armenians - peripheral, though in the case of Greek Cypriots the historical & cultural links to Europe are perhaps stronger.

[Hess]

Infinitely? You talk about this vague monolithic European mindset which somehow drastically separates us "colonials" from real Europeans. Have you ever provided a thorough definition of it?

It's a combination of many factors- the way we talk, act, think, etc. that ultimately separates colonials from Europeans. Though Europeans are far from monolithic in terms of culture themselves, there still seems to be a subtle but still present link that we share that is absent in Colonials. I suppose it would come from thousands of years of shared history. Even countries on other ends of the continent like Britain and Russia have historically had dealings with each other.

[Äike]

They look like Middle-Easterners, but I consider them to be European because of historical reasons. I have been to Cyprus.