Croatian man killed in Ireland "for speaking Croatian"

[Blondie]

I'm glad you at least don't think prostitution and porn is good and realise how harmful and damaging they are. If we can agree on that then I think people can see how society should do what is possible to stop the sex industry just like how they stopped slavery. I don't think it is a human right to buy sex or for people to sell themselves for sex and I think people should be educated on the repercussions. I just don't think it is like any transaction such as selling a couch. Yes we will agree to disagree. I think prostitution is morally wrong and exploits women. Also the majority of prostitutes are from disadvantaged backgrounds which is why the vast majority of prostitutes in Western Europe are from poorer countries.

As a zoomer i know very well that porn is harmful as hell, just talk with guys from my generation. They all have been socialized by porn, they have no idea about real sexuality.

[Creoda]

No I think prostitution is detrimental to all women. I think the fact that you can buy a woman's body for sex is degrading to all women.

That is completely alien thinking to me. If I hear about women hiring a gigolo for example, the idea that it degrades 'all men' would never enter my mind. Modern women often have this strange hive-mind mentality where an act against one woman is an act against 'all women'.

Men that frequent prostitutes are more likely to view all women as "cheap tarts", "sluts" etc. Studies have shown that men who purchase sex are likely to have less empathy, more inclined to spousal violence, more likely to believe things like women want to be raped and more likely to spread sexual diseases. They are more likely to exhibit dark tetrad traits ((i.e., sub-clinical traits of sadism, psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism). Makes sense when you think about it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7533589/

That seems to be saying that men who visit prostitutes are more deviant-minded on average (which is self-obvious) not that visiting prostitutes necessarily causes those behaviours.

It's illegal here in the West. Also in many countries such as Ireland, Sweden, Norway etc. It is illegal to buy sex however selling sex is not illegal. They are trying to not victimise the women but prosecute the men paying for sex. Anyway humanity has many flaws. We all know that.

Which is arse-backwards. Imagine trying to prosecute drug addicts but not drug dealers.

It is a fact that women are treated as lesser than in lots of societies. That women are treated better in Western countries does not mean that there are still not issues that can be improved upon. Domestic abuse and prostitution disproportionately affect women by a huge margin. There are always things that can be worked on to make it better for everyone. I also think we should do more to improve education for young boys who are falling behind and young men who are more likely to commit suicide. Yes there are plenty of studies that prostitution and pornography are industries that perpetrate a negative and derogatory image of women. It is not difficult to search for these.

It's not apparent to me that there's a causal link in society between prostitution/porn and violence against women, or even 'misogyny'. Prostitution and porn are far more abundant and consumed than ever in the past, but the rape/sexual assault rates aren't higher than the past, and there is apparently less sexism towards women than in the past.

[CosmoLady]

perhaps you sound like one of those that like to have her cake and eat it too, or in other words have it both ways so long as it suits you.

im not but i get sick of hypocrisy because to anyone with half a working brain it is obvious that there are women that do that work of their own accord as well as the ones who dont.

Very lame and cliched statement. You accuse of "hypocrisy" but have no examples of such.

Strawman argument, projection. Bad faith debating style.

I already repeatedly made a distinction between coerced and non-coerced prostitutes,
which you repeatedly ignore because you are dishonest.

But they go up and down together because they sell the same product and are part of the same market.

as for my comments in the previous quote that you quoted they are not excuses if anything they are shining a light on the hypocritical thinking and rationalising of people whom are complicit in activities of the sex game/industry but somehow pretentiously shift the blame like saying well if it wasnt for the creepy men then women wouldn't have to do this work. The truth is that if you are not trafficked and you dont want to do such work ... guess what = no one is making you.

I never mentioned men or blaming anyone, as I already said.

Again, strawman argument, projection, bad faith debating. Dishonesty?

good luck with that and btw show me one nation that won the war on drugs and dont start bringing up the very strict middle east countries like UAE SA etc because they do all of that stuff in the shadows and in fact the places where there is the most covered up women and strict laws around sex Arab muslim countries guess what are also the countries that have the highest amount of online Porn viewers.

Asian and Middle Eastern countries have far less drug addiction and use overall, even if it is "underground".

Who cares if it is underground? Less drug addiction overall is undoubtedly a good thing for society.
More drug addiction, on the other hand, is a visible disaster, as I have seen.

Drugs cannot be completely eliminated (without turning into North Korea), but the effort is noble and the benefit is visible.

we are going around in circles ,

No YOU are, because you are always projecting.

ultimately my point was beside the trafficked and coreced there are many women that do that stuff there own free will

Yes I already repeated that like 20 times, you are not making any point at all.

and i guess my 2nd point concerned societal stigma around the first point which seems to include by some of society that some women and quite a lot actually do that stuff willingly but that this is denied that some people prefer to see it that all those women are unwilling victims or as you put it need to be taken care of like ....

I did not mention or consider stigma, you did. Again, projection, dishonest debating style.

i imagine you singing "somebody come get her she's dancin like a stripper ", then a couple of goons come take her away to the dumb hoe hooker concentration camp, good luck with that .

Lame, meaningless statement.

if you disagree thats fine, if you think that "they know not what they do" thats fine, that perhaps someone has hypnotised them or a demon makes them do it or there is something else that somehow diminishes their responsibility and culpability in their decision making that somehow they are not 100 percent responsible for their decisions , thats fine , Cosmo believes they are outta control dumb hoes that need to be taken to the "Dancing like a Stripper" concentration camp for their own good. I guess thats fine too.

You are extremely dishonest. No one said that.

[catgeorge]

One of the main problems with the west today is mandatory military training for young men.

In my village any young male that goes to military service there is family party for him in the name of "Good Citizen"

This type of culture for young men has been stripped away from them and need it badly.

Try being a horn fuck boy during military service- it doesn't work. West is producing far too many undisciplined males.

[CosmoLady]

As one of the most famous and successful voluntary underage porn stars (and later actress),

Traci Lords spoke about her past, has no incentive to lie. (One can imagine how it is for trafficked prostitutes.)

"No one put a gun to my head and said you have to do this ... I was really young, I was really stupid about some things."

"I can tell you from my personal experience that I've never met a happy porn star."

"My damage drove me into porn. I mean, I was a little girl. And I had like all of this stuff. I'd been raped. I'd been molested. I'd been abused. I was messed up. And I was angry. And the same thing that later helped me to change my life when I was 18 and out of that world that helped me to get sober and helped me to gather the courage to go and do the work I needed to do, to look at some things in my life that were so ugly."

"It was never about sex or an obsession with sex or a need for sex or anything. It was about drug addiction. For me, all porn ever was was drugs. I had no inhibitions or morality or sense of anything. All I cared about was getting high. It was always about drug addiction."

[CosmoLady]

While we are at it, we should also ban cars because the other day a drunk driver killed someone in my town. Oh, and hospitals too since they couldn't save the victim.

Thats why i said we must ban every job. Tons of other thing is connecting to mafisos and drugs. Why would we stop at sex industry?

No one said anything about banning porn or "every job" or even prostitution where it is legal. I don't see your point.

I prefer Kovi the biggest porn king/pimp in Hungary, he said everything about this industry:
https://www.youtube.com/@azigazikovi3394/videos

If you actually trust this sleazy character, then you are very naive or not very bright.

He has a strong financial incentive to lie and likely has mafia connections. Not an honest character or an honest industry.

So if a sex worker complains about her life it might be 100% truth, but if someone is completely okay with this life then she must be a not honest person?!

Often, yes.

One has a strong incentive to lie for money, one does not. If you cannot recognise this, then you are very naive about humans.

The sex industry is lucrative, human dignity is not.

Soros is the financier of the sex industry lobby in many countries (as he is also a financier of the drug legalisation lobby).
This includes social media influencers.

"Why is the world's 29th richest person funding a campaign by Irish sex workers?" (The Journal, Ireland)
https://www.thejournal.ie/george-sor...16105-Dec2015/

Network of Sex Work Projects
https://web.archive.org/web/20140306...ork-projects-0
https://web.archive.org/web/20150406..._FINAL_WEB.pdf

NGOs: the best PR and Spin Doctors that (sex-industry) money can buy
https://thinkoutsidetheboxer.wordpre...ey-can-buy/#p1

The Soros Global Network of Sex Work Projects is/was a front for a massive international pimping operation:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151018...y-kat-banyard/

[Scarface F]

Prostitution in Europe


Dark Blue - Prostitution legal and unregulated, excluding organized activities such as brothels and pimping.
Orange - Illegal to buy sex and for 3rd party involvement, legal to sell sex
Light blue - No criminal penalties for prostitution
Green - Prostitution legal and regulated
Red - Prostitution illegal

[Scarface F]

Grace and Cosmo laid some great arguments. I used to be in favor of legalized prostitution since I was thinking it would protect these sex workers more, but they are right. It's a degrading job and it should not be helped by legalization. None of us wants our daughters to work there. All these prostitutues are someones daughters, mothers, sisters.

Yes there are some well off women doing porn or sex work. But almost all of them come from broken families with mental issues. Being decently situated and not a beggar does not protect you from being from abnormal family conditions.

Most porn stars are deeply troubled souls and there is a reason why drug abuse is so common in sex industry.

Ladies, you got me convinced. Great arguments

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

In some places in the US if you're caught buying sex from a prostitute they put your mugshot on the police website.

Public shaming is sometimes all you need to change people's behavior. I wonder if the local news posted the mugshots of men caught soliciting sex if there would be a decline in prostitution.

Imagine watching the news and at the end you see your neighbor's face among others arrested for soliciting sex. How would you see this person now? How will everyone in your community see this person?

[Blondie]

If you actually trust this sleazy character, then you are very naive or not very bright.
He has a strong financial incentive to lie and likely has mafia connections. Not an honest character or an honest industry.

Really? You can speak hungarian and you know what he said in the videos? Or you have no idea what are you talking about.
He is talking about everything including positive and negative things. He does not claim sex work is good or bad, he just says the facts, his experience in this industry, he claims the porn is fake, he is talking about the background of girls etc etc. He is fair and not biased.