Croatian man killed in Ireland "for speaking Croatian"

[Scarface F]

I agree, but unfortunately that generates the black market and mafia. Its a vicious circle.

True

[CosmoLady]

Yes, demand creates supply, not the other way round.

Not necessarily. Demand can be created (or reduced). This is the purpose of marketing.

Of course. But we don't and shouldn't automatically permit all the things for which there is a demand. Plus, the supply in this case is usually doing it willingly.

I agree, but unfortunately that generates the black market and mafia. Its a vicious circle.

Supply can be increased or decreased, so can demand but it is more complicated.

And it generally doesn't matter if the theoretical demand is sky-high,

if the product is illegal and totally unavailable due to a serious state and serious law enforcement.

[Aldaris]

I agree, but unfortunately that generates the black market and mafia. Its a vicious circle.

Supply can be increased or decreased, so can demand but it is more complicated.

And it generally doesn't matter if the demand is sky-high,

if the product is illegal and totally unavailable due to a serious state and serious law enforcement.

Yeah, unfortunately, it's unrealistic to entirely eradicate the problem. There will always be prostitution in one form or another, just as there will always be murder cases, regardless of what the law has to say. However, most governments have the means to significantly reduce prostitution. Simply prosecute whores and pimps in the same manner as you would prosecute a murderer or armed robberer, rather than treating it as a misdemeanor, as is often the case.

[#Oda#]

If you're referring to me, I tend to upvote posts I agree with. Spare me any explanations, I don't want to hear them either way.

He hasn't meant you, because you are no simp at least.

[#Oda#]

HIV is highest in former USSR

My guess is that it mostly has to do with drug epidemic and societal collapse in 1990s which looked like horror film (and illegal prostitution, organised crime).

From that are are extremely high abortion rates

Drunk Yeltsin and his comrades turned Russia and ex Soviet lands into cesspool.

Also communism there caused terrible breakdown of any family and moral values (now it's better than it was), probably because it was extremely brutal even for commie standards and lasted longer than in reast of eastern Europe

In Yugoslavia which was real-socialist economy with lots of problems USSR was seen as Mordor (Romania and DDR to)

Yes, that must play a role, but there‘s also a strange movement of HIV denial, scarcity of medicine and more, especially also in Russia. Here is some info to that, unfortunately in German. Everybody may feel free to doubt these Western sources and rely on Russian ones

https://www.bpb.de/themen/europa/rus...r-in-russland/

https://www.dw.com/de/russland-kaum-...ten/a-67592060

[Scarface F]

Yes, that must play a role, but there‘s also a strange movement of HIV denial, scarcity of medicine and more, especially also in Russia. Here is some info to that, unfortunately in German. Everybody may feel free to doubt these Western sources and rely on Russian ones

https://www.bpb.de/themen/europa/rus...r-in-russland/

https://www.dw.com/de/russland-kaum-...ten/a-67592060

I don't trust Russian sources, it's a highly corrupted country. Same for Ukraine.

It was estimated that 20 percent of all new Russian Armed Forces recruits from prisons had HIV. Those Russian service members who are living with HIV infection are made to wear red wristbands, indicating their HIV status. White wristbands are worn by those infected with Hepatitis

-this referred to Wagner prison recruits

[Vožd]

According to comment of one Croat living in Ireland they were Irish Travellers. And he got that information from his Irish friends.

I was 100% sure killer was some Albos subhuman who thought they are speaking Serbian.

[Varda]

I was 100% sure killer was some Albos subhuman who thought they are speaking Serbian.

There is very few Albos in Ireland, according to wiki only between 950 and 2100 individuals. It is nothing in comparison with Italy where live about 1 000 000 Albanians, or Greece 500-600K, or UK up to 100K.

[CosmoLady]

Yeah, unfortunately, it's unrealistic to entirely eradicate the problem. There will always be prostitution in one form or another, just as there will always be murder cases, regardless of what the law has to say. However, most governments have the means to significantly reduce prostitution. Simply prosecute whores and pimps in the same manner as you would prosecute a murderer or armed robberer, rather than treating it as a misdemeanor, as is often the case.

Organised crime can always be greatly reduced, to insignificant levels,
if the state/government (and ideally society) is serious about it!

I don't really have a problem with prostitutes who are self-employed,
and sell their services discreetly or online (the morality is another issue).

But the prostitution industry is harmful to society, promotes trafficking and organised crime, ruins neighbourhoods, etc.

[Aldaris]

Organised crime can always be greatly reduced, to insignificant levels,
if the state/government (and ideally society) is serious about it!

I don't really have a problem with prostitutes who are self-employed,
and sell their services discreetly or online (the morality is another issue).

But the prostitution industry is harmful to society, promotes trafficking and organised crime, ruins neighbourhoods, etc.

You're more pragmatic, while I'm more idealistic (to a reasonable degree of course). ;-)