Classify the Scottish men in this video

[Watersater79]

They are seen at the beginning between 1:30-2:18. A good snapshot of the political issues at the time.

These men are from Angus in eastern Scotland. The genome of the area's inhabiting population is overwhelmingly PICTISH. However, there was some English migration to this area (the east coast; stretching from Fife up to Aberdeenshire) in the 11th-14th Centuries as a result of the development of the proto-urban Royal Burghs. These migrations were pivotal in the retreat of Gaelic from the area. Yes, the modern inhabitants of eastern Scotland are two languages removed from their original native tongue. The only areas where the Gaelic tribes made their genetic presence felt was along the western coast (be it in the Highlands or the SW). The Picts, previously the sole inhabitants of the northern section of Scotland (above the Antonine Wall), were now confined, as an unadmixed community, to the eastern area in question. Eventually, they were assimilated into the Gaelic culture, but there is no evidence that it was through population movements. Those who migrated across the Irish Sea in the 4th Century were unlikely to have been large in number and this is besides the fact that by many genetic studies, those in eastern Scotland actually cluster closer to the English than the Irish. Anyhow, Coon and co. spoke of the bizygomatic width of men in this area being 141 mm (the same as the Irish), but they seem broader-faced (than the Irish). The bizygomatic width here seems more along the lines of 145 mm. I will admit that a rather distinctive trait found in Scotland, concerning the very high and wide cheekbones, whereby the widest point of the face is literally just under the line of the eyes, seems exclusive to the eastern parts, as exemplified in this video. I don't see that amongst those in any other part of Scotland.

It's easy to think of pre-4th Century Scotland as being entirely 'Pictish' thanks to the symbolism perpetrated by Hadrian's Wall, but I must repeat, it was the Antonine Wall, situated between the firths of Clyde and Forth that was the final frontier of the Roman Empire, before what they saw as the lands of the unruly Picts. Southern Scotland was not Pictish at all, rather it was inhabited by Britons. The Britons and Picts probably bore a negligible genetic difference between one another, but it's not surprising that Scotland's geography ensured that there would be some kind of genetic/cultural/linguistic drift between the two groups, to an extent that they couldn't be considered the same populace.

[Watersater79]

This is going to sound retarded, but I think that Coon and co. actually lied about the bizygomatic width of those in Scotland, as a way to portray Britannia as a rather homogeneous phenotypical 'blob'. The actual difference in terms of bizygomatic width between the English and the (eastern) Scottish is easily double what is measured here, unless, ofc, all of the lanky-faced Scottish types (that would bring down the average) just stay indoors nowadays. Coon and co. did, ofc, point out that the Scottish/Welsh sample size measured was not satisfactory enough to draw a valid conclusion, but these are small populations anyway. He lumped the English in with that statement as well, even though he used the measurements done on 2,000 Englishmen as his source that said population possessed an average bizygomatic width of 136.5 mm. The only difference being that these 2,000 individuals were criminals, and there is an 'otherness' element in relation to the the general population.

[Smaug]

They are very broad-faced, almost Alpinoid in appearence but more robust and less pigmented. My family is from Kincardineshire, which is halfway between Dundee and Aberdeen, and these broad faces are very common in them. I'd say most are some sort of Cromagnoid, possibly Borreby or Brünn mixed with other elements such as Keltic Nordid and Atlantid.

[Watersater79]

They are very broad-faced, almost Alpinoid in appearence but more robust and less pigmented. My family is from Kincardineshire, which is halfway between Dundee and Aberdeen, and these broad faces are very common in them. I'd say most are some sort of Cromagnoid, possibly Borreby or Brünn mixed with other elements such as Keltic Nordid and Atlantid.

From what you know of 'Kincardineshire' (even if it is in a modern context, hahaha) would you say that broad-faces in the majority, or just that.... 'very common'? Does that average bizygomatic measurement of 141 mm seem too low to you?

[Mortimer]

From what you know of 'Kincardineshire' (even if it is in a modern context, hahaha) would you say that broad-faces in the majority, or just that.... 'very common'? Does that average bizygomatic measurement of 141 mm seem too low to you?

I noticed you talk often of how broad someones face including your own so i thought i will ask you how much broad my face is i use pictures at much less weight

[Oliver109]

atlantids, borrebies, paleo atlantids, brunns and keltids, they don't look that different from men from say Lincolnshire or Yorkshire, just standard provincial Brits.

[Immanenz]

not even opening the vid: Armeno-Alpinoid in the middle, Lionel Messi on the right

[Oliver109]

not even opening the vid: Armeno-Alpinoid in the middle, Lionel Messi on the right

lol make the middle a bit darker and he could pass in Iran etc

[Watersater79]

atlantids, borrebies, paleo atlantids, brunns and keltids, they don't look that different from men from say Lincolnshire or Yorkshire, just standard provincial Brits.

They are a decent bit more robust than the average Yorkshireman/Lincolnshireman, but in terms of individual facial features there aren't many who literally scream 'Scottish' (ironically the only one who does is that pseudo-Iranian guy you pointed out in the right of the thumbnail).

[Oliver109]

They are a decent bit more robust than the average Yorkshireman/Lincolnshireman, but in terms of individual facial features there aren't many who literally scream 'Scottish' (ironically the only one who does is that pseudo-Iranian guy you pointed out in the right of the thumbnail).

They are not that much more robust lol, Scots have a tendancy to robustness but remember that a good chunk of Scots are also more European looking like Nicola Sturgeon and John Smith the 1990s Labour leader.