Fertility rate world map 2024

[Tooting Carmen]

People living in full comfort and with too much education are usually more depressed and unhappy, having some inadequate ideas about their place in society, they feel themselves underrated.

What about those who are both well-educated AND poor, such as in Cuba?

[Tooting Carmen]

It's so over.

What is?

[Petalpusher]

It's so over.

Maybe when humanity will go below 1 Billion we can start to worry, a little. In 1750 there were 750 Millions people on earth and 2.5 Billions in 1950. Everything of the modern world was pretty much invented in this period. The optimal population is probably around 1.5 Billion, no more. Preferably distributed evenly, which is the more concerning part. At 10 Billions there s a fair chance everything will go downhill, so i would say we need 5-6x less people than right now (and the near future).

[Tooting Carmen]

Maybe when humanity will go below 1 Billion we can start to worry, a little. In 1750 there were 750 Millions people on earth and 2.5 Billions in 1950. Everything of the modern world was pretty much invented in this period.

Um...the Internet? Mobile phones?

[Petalpusher]

Um...the Internet? Mobile phones?

Both invented by 1950. You are confusing it with the mainstream applications, which always has a lot of inertia but technologically nothing was preventing to have that back then, it was just a matter of developpement, particularly the natural evolution flow of semi conductors (first introduced in 1900 flat). Same for fiber optic. Even if those two were not included, every other inventions dwarf them in comparison. The point is we don't need 10 Billions people to advance as a species, probably there is a point it becomes detrimental to humanity and we might already be well past it.

[Tooting Carmen]

Both invented by 1950. You are confusing it with the mainstream applications, which always has a lot of inertia but technologically nothing was preventing to have that back then, it was just a matter of developpement, particularly the natural evolution flow of semi conductors (first introduced in 1900 flat). Same for fiber optic. Even if those two were not included, every other inventions dwarf them in comparison. The point is we don't need 10 Billions people to advance as a species, probably there is a point it becomes detrimental to humanity and we might already be well past it.

That the world is overpopulated is increasingly undeniable. But at least an equally big issue, especially but not exclusively in developed countries, is the age distribution - more and more elderly people and fewer and fewer current or future adults who can work to support them. Still, where is the evidence that the Internet and mobile phones, at least as we know them, were invented before 1950?

[alnortedelsur]

What a shitty tendency! The most backwards people are, the more they reproduce, and mostly black Africans being the ones with high fertility rates. With such a shitty tendency I see a very dark (figuratively and literally speaking) future.

[Voskos]

What a shitty tendency! The most backwards people are, the more they reproduce, and mostly black Africans being the ones with high fertility rates. With such a shitty tendency I see a very dark (figuratively and literally speaking) future.

the most dominant people always take over, regardless of their race. What should be worrying you, is why the african man has dominated the white man (physically and intellectually). I think africa is going through a phase like china was some decades ago. We're seeing a huge increase in population, that came with improvements in quality of life. In a very distant future, they'll eventually reach the point where whites are now, where people are so civilized they've become depressed and individualistic, not willing to reproduce because now, money and profit counts more than human civilization.

[Petalpusher]

That the world is overpopulated is increasingly undeniable. But at least an equally big issue, especially but not exclusively in developed countries, is the age distribution - more and more elderly people and fewer and fewer current or future adults who can work to support them. Still, where is the evidence that the Internet and mobile phones, at least as we know them, were invented before 1950?

The internet is just computers connected to phone lines, it's been around almost as far back as computer exists. This is what was used for army and science networks in 1950. All this was first developped prior to the cold war.
https://www.scienceandmediamuseum.or.../154846379.jpg

We ve refined the protocols for global use, speed it up with fiber optics, our current silicone runs billions more operations per second, but still exactly the same thing.

Mobile phones were used during WW2. Wireless telephony goes back to the 20's and was offered on some railroads in Europe. Heck you even had some mobile phones in cars in the 40's.

If the population had stagned to 2 Billions or even less, we would have exactly the same technology and standard of living today, because 99,999...% of humanity is completely useless in this matter of developping technologies so having 10 Billions or 1 Billion of humans won't change anything. We would just have more ressources, more space and less ecological disasters. What people are really scared about is not population decrease but having +2 Billions of Africans who can't sustain themselves on their own and will spark a global catastrophe at the point we can't feed them anymore.

But maybe some have some plans to do something with 10, 15, 30 Billions of humans living like bugs on earth and forcing the colonization of other world because it's unbearable here. At least that would be a valid argument, i don't see any other one.

[Voskos]

The internet is just computers connected to phone lines, it's been around almost as far back as computer exists. This is what was used for army and science networks in 1950. All this was first developped prior to the cold war.
https://www.scienceandmediamuseum.or.../154846379.jpg

We ve refined the protocols for global use, speed it up with fiber optics, our current silicone runs billions more operations per second, but still exactly the same thing.

Mobile phones were used during WW2. Wireless telephony goes back to the 20's and was offered on some railroads in Europe. Heck you even had some mobile phones in cars in the 40's.

If the population had stagned to 2 Billions or even less, we would have exactly the same technology and standard of living today, because 99,999...% of humanity is completely useless in this matter of developping technologies so having 10 Billions or 1 Billion of humans won't change anything. We would just have more ressources, more space and less ecological disasters.

But maybe some have some plans to do something with 10, 15, 30 Billions of humans living like bugs on earth and forcing the colonization of other world because it's unbearable here. At least that would be a valid argument, i don't see any other one.

Elon Musk tweeted something about underpopulation being the biggest problem, I still can't believe an engineer said that. I guess, he needs more people to work in his factories.