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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    There are lots of Ukrainian citizens who don't care much under which flag they wanna wake up tomorrow. Average Ukrainian is an opportunist. I have such between not pro Russian relatives.

    Almost 50% of their youth now says they have to negotiate with Russia, it was like 18% one year ago. And the most stubborn, pro war part of populace are Sovetoid boomers.
    Negotiation is fine if they want it, would save many lives. But than it means Ukraine is free to join whatever organisation it wants, including NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    There are lots of Ukrainian citizens who don't care much under which flag they wanna wake up tomorrow. Average Ukrainian is an opportunist. I have such between not pro Russian relatives.

    Almost 50% of their youth now says they have to negotiate with Russia, it was like 18% one year ago. And the most stubborn, pro war part of populace are Sovetoid boomers watching the so called "telemarathones" where they're "almost winning" every day, just like they watched Soviet TV back in USSR.
    Btw Ukrainian gen X showed much more men than inferior zoomers. Most of their soldiers at front are gen X, men born in USSR and real men doing their duty for their country.

    Zoomers of military age fled to Germany, they are trash worth of despise unless they are pro Russian but in such case they should hide in Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    Btw Ukrainian gen X showed much more men than inferior zoomers. Most of their soldiers at front are gen X, men born in USSR and real men doing their duty for their country.

    Zoomers of military age fled to Germany, they are trash worth of despise unless they are pro Russian but in such case they should hide in Russia.
    Central Ukrainian 35-40 years old men is their main manpower source plus those whom they actively bust in the streets of Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Dnepr and Transcarpathia regions.

    Western Ukrainians would dream to become EU without everything else, they don't give a damn about the rest of Ukraine. They're extremely regionalist minded and for decades named and still name all the others as "Moskals".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Former Soviets are destroying each other enduringly.

    Bloodshed between Russians and Ukrainians is a historical norm. Russians and Belarusians/Ukrainians have been killing each other for centuries. It tends to be overlooked because they acted under the banner of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and later Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.

    In short, a small Baltic tribe known as Lithuanians went on a power trip and conquered several principalities on the terrotiry of modern Belarus and Ukraine (Supplementary file №1). Eventually the population of these territories started to feel like they "belong" in this country, known as the "Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Ruthenia and Samogitia", and willingly participated in further conquests, where they met the opposition force in the face of the Grand Duchy of Moscow (Muscovy). This is when the ancestors of Russians (on one side) and Belarusians/Ukrainians (on the other side) started spilling each other's blood on the battlefield. Eventually the things started to crumble for a multiethnic state known as "Lithuania", with Moscow gaining the upper hand in the conflict, and it signed a defence pact with Poland, which itself needed a strong ally as it was facing a direct threat from the biggest body of people in Europe, the Germans, who were slowly but steadily pushing the ethnic Polish settlement area in a South-Eastern direction (Supplementary file №2). Ukrainians became the backbone of the military might of this country, providing as much military force value as the ethnic Poles, and it is no coincidence that the downfall of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth began exactly when the internal divisions erupted, with a part of the Ukrainian people trying to establish an independent country. In 1658-1659 and 1674–1676 this breakaway part had its own wars with Russia. In early 1700s a part of the Ukrainian people joined arms with the Swedes, and in 1940s another part of the Ukrainian people joined arms with the Germans. Inbetween these two events there were several uprising attempts in 1768-1769, 1855 and 1917-1921.

    Top level historians are employed as geopolitical advisors for the government of every serious country, and our enemies knew how to stoke the fire in Ukraine. Someone sitting at the head of the government has no idea that some 400 years ago Moscow was occupied and the bulk of occupational forces were Ukrainian cossacks, but he has geopolitical advisors who specialize on different parts of the world who know. You don't just go from a healthy relationship in 1991 to the shitshow of 2014, you need to raise a new generation of people with a needed education, and the first thing to do is to print history books for schoolchildren and university students, where every historical event can be presented however author wants. In Ukrainian history books every bloodshed with Muscovites/Russians is presented with a very one-sided interpretation, and these books are a product of cooperation between foreign NGOs and local like-minded people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    Might doesn't make a right. Even if Ukraine was doing great on the battlefield, Russia's claims against Ukraine are still legit.
    I don't think that Russia is on the ropes. I'm saying that our politicians are lying when they say that Russia is on the ropes.

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    Im amazed Europe is still warmongering and not pushing for a peace deal.
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic View Post
    I don't think that Russia is on the ropes. I'm saying that our politicians are lying when they say that Russia is on the ropes.
    Russia is in much better situation right now due to US politicans who hanged Ukraine out ot dry and decided to serve as Israeli lapdogs as usual.

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    This should be warning to rest of Europe; US need to go. They wouldn't care to sacriface entire Europe for their geopolitical interests and than abandon them when it counts. Only good to come out of this is that European arms industry can grow and re-arm, and dependancy on US reduced to minimum.

    If Europe could get rid of toxic dependancy on US, that would be amazing because than the cultural package coming with it (wokeism et cetera) could be eliminated once for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface F View Post
    Let's be clear, Russia would make no advancements if Trump clowns in Congress didn't block help, if EU didn't fail to deliver it's promises and if Jew lives didin't matter much more than Slavic lives.

    US is supplying Israel instead to cleanse Arabs because US is totally owned by them including Trump.
    European and american politicians dont care about Ukraine. The western rhetoric is totally different in the case of Israel and Taiwan, they would even start war to defend these countries from China or arabs, but we cant hear such narrative in the case of ukrainians. Yeah they gives a minimal aid to keep ukrainians alive but thats all. The main purpose of these minimal aids to make russians much weaker through Ukraine who sacrifice themselves for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    European and american politicians dont care about Ukraine.
    Ofcourse they don't.

    The western rhetoric is totally different in the case of Israel and Taiwan, they would even start war to defend these countries from China or arabs, but we cant hear such narrative in the case of ukrainians. Yeah they gives a minimal aid to keep ukrainians alive but thats all. The main purpose of these minimal aids to make russians much weaker through Ukraine who sacrifice themselves for it.
    True, and that is why they can't be trusted.

    European countries need their own strong military and arms productions.

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