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    Default 2 Gaelic Medieval Irishmen

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-022-01219-2

    Our study focuses on two adult male individuals (Sk197 and Sk331) buried in a Medieval graveyard at Ballyhanna, near the town of Ballyshannon in Co. Donegal, Ireland. Each displayed multiple bony tumours suggestive of multiple osteochondromas (MO), a rare, autosomal dominant bone condition, also known as hereditary multiple exostoses. Although these tumours are normally benign, the condition can result in limb deformity, reduced stature, compression of nerves, and, more rarely, malignancy. Surgical intervention is used to treat patients with severe osteochondromas, although those with asymptomatic MO do not require treatment.

    The rural burial ground at Ballyhanna was associated with a small Medieval church, constructed after the middle of the 13th century AD, although it is possible that an earlier wooden church was present on the site. The land at that time would have been owned by a bishop and the estate lands would have been managed by an erenagh (estate manager). Radiocarbon dating showed that the earliest burials dated to the late 7th to early 8th century, but the vast majority of individuals were interred between AD 1200 and 1650, when the area around Ballyshannon was under the autonomous control of the Ó Domnaill Gaelic lords. As such, the graveyard at Ballyhanna can be considered to have essentially contained the remains of a Gaelic Medieval population. Those buried at Ballyhanna would have comprised the lower classes and included tenant farmers, labourers, merchants, artisans, clergy and the very poor.

    Radiocarbon dating revealed that the two individuals were definitely not contemporaneous and were potentially separated by several hundred years. Of the two, Sk197 was the earlier individual (dated AD 689-975; UBA-11443) and was slightly older (30-40 years) when he died. While multiple osteochondromas were evident throughout his skeleton, they were generally less pronounced than those evident in Sk331. Limb length discrepancy was present in his forearm bones, his sacro-iliac joints displayed ankylosis and he would have had genu valgum during life. Unlike Sk331, he was estimated to have been of roughly average height for the population (166.8 cm). Sk331 was dated to AD 1031–1260 (UBA-11442) and was the more severe case. He displayed extensive bilateral osteochondromas, both sessile and pedunculated in form, on most bones throughout his skeleton. He also had a short stature compared to other adult males at Ballyhanna (158.3 cm), displayed a major deformity of his left forearm due to shortening of the ulna (Type 1), had unequal bone lengths due to the lesions, as well as a range of orthopaedic deformities that affected his hips, knees and left ankle; all of which are consistent with this condition. He died as a young adult (18–25 years). Neither individual appears to have suffered from any tumours that progressed to malignancy.

    These men had different mitochondrial haplogroups but fell into the same clade of Y chromosome haplotypes, although Sk331 had a slightly more derived Y haplogroup. Both grouped in the cluster R1b-M222, which is known to have its highest frequency in the same northwestern region in modern Ireland. Interestingly, from modern examination of surnames, the dominant Ó Domnaill Gaelic clan in this region would have been expected to display this haplotype.


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    Code:
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    0.01697479	Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman:KIL033.B_noUDG__AD_1000__Cov_78.06%
    0.01956760	French_Finistère:EXPL0140
    0.01974812	England_MIA:I20589__BC_300__Cov_68.62%
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    0.02030573	Theconqueror_wife_scaled
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    0.01954330	Danish:GSM1985817
    0.02010714	Netherlands_Friesland_EMA:MDM007__AD_519__Cov_82.31%
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    0.02106452	England_Viking.SG:VK257_noUDG.SG__AD_997__Cov_55.18%

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    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.02525641 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    0.02940686 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 2.3362% / 0.02336205
    65.0 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    35.0 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticdragongod View Post
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.02525641 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    0.02940686 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 2.3362% / 0.02336205
    65.0 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    35.0 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%


    Distance to: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
    0.02845728 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%
    0.02999442 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%

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    They are both closest to Orcadian. Gaels obviously are just Northwest Europeans and modern Irish seem to be pretty much the same as them.

    Distance to: Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    0.02012918 Orcadian
    0.02223356 Icelandic
    0.02290429 Scottish
    0.02396136 English
    0.02408271 English_Cornwall
    0.02439144 Irish
    0.02530907 Danish
    0.02585848 Welsh
    0.02630687 Norwegian
    0.02787442 Dutch
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    0.03028630 Shetlandic
    0.03154996 German_Hamburg
    0.03229105 Swedish
    0.03333704 BelgianA
    0.03474958 German
    0.03545859 Afrikaner
    0.03708266 German_East
    0.03906625 German_Erlangen
    0.04314961 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04379659 BelgianB
    0.04381174 French_Nord
    0.04498724 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04593193 BelgianC
    0.04609432 Austrian


    Distance to: Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%
    0.01977016 Orcadian
    0.02099909 Irish
    0.02109719 Scottish
    0.02229143 Welsh
    0.02302024 English
    0.02345776 French_Brittany
    0.02438687 English_Cornwall
    0.02605835 Dutch
    0.02813937 Shetlandic
    0.02848194 Icelandic
    0.02866295 Norwegian
    0.02916086 Danish
    0.02924835 BelgianA
    0.02980690 Afrikaner
    0.03319525 German
    0.03449699 BelgianB
    0.03608790 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03620499 French_Nord
    0.03649184 German_Hamburg
    0.03722272 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03796641 German_Erlangen
    0.03876578 BelgianC
    0.03947469 Swedish
    0.04030705 French_Alsace
    0.04075744 French_Paris

    I'm not particularly close to them but not too distant either.

    Distance to: Grace_scaled
    0.01830407 England_Saxon
    0.01839205 England_EarlyMedieval
    0.01914848 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon
    0.01964234 England_IA
    0.01986196 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval
    0.02005412 England_Saxon.SG
    0.02098934 Faroes_EarlyModern.SG
    0.02102294 Scotland_Viking.SG
    0.02104999 Ireland_Kilteasheen_AngloSaxon_EMedieval_Norman
    0.02111246 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
    0.02118333 Scotland_LIA
    0.02137004 Austria_Klosterneuburg_Roman.SG
    0.02186194 Hungary_Langobard
    0.02186236 Scotland_MIA_LIA
    0.02188083 England_EastYorkshire_MIA_LIA
    0.02202555 Iceland_Pre_Christian.SG
    0.02239926 Iceland_Viking.SG
    0.02242901 England_MIA
    0.02247625 Scotland_LBA
    0.02251593 England_MBA
    0.02256081 England_LBA
    0.02270964 Germany_Schleswig_Saxon_LMedieval
    0.02280795 England_LIA
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    0.02308837 England_MIA_LIA
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    0.02332999 England_IA_Roman.SG
    0.02345415 England_IA_EarlyMedieval
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    0.02362478 England_EastYorkshire_LIA
    0.02375559 Scotland_BlackIsle_IA.SG
    0.02414284 Scotland_EIA
    0.02422550 Greenland_EarlyNorse.SG
    0.02434457 England_IA_ERoman.SG
    0.02469923 England_Scorton_Anglian
    0.02490378 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
    0.02576247 Netherlands_MBA
    0.02586513 Norway_Viking.SG
    0.02589980 England_EastYorkshire_MIA
    0.02617989 Germany_Anderten_Saxon_Medieval
    0.02631222 England_IA.SG
    0.02645400 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon_oSteppe
    0.02648159 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN197__AD_832__Co v_99.17%
    0.02667147 Germany_EMedieval_Alemanic
    0.02668172 England_MIA_lowEEF
    0.02668900 Scotland_MBA
    0.02712867 England_EIA
    0.02722063 Netherlands_Friesland_Saxon_Medieval
    0.02737377 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
    0.02753645 Poland_Weklice_WielbarkCulture_Roman.SG
    0.02765358 Germany_Hiddestorf_Saxon_EMedieval
    0.02790002 Scotland_Viking_o.SG
    0.02799335 Hungary_Langobard.SG
    0.02805699 Czech_BA_Veterov_2
    0.02807884 England_C_EBA
    0.02809350 Scotland_Orkney_MBA.SG
    0.02814575 England_MIA_LIA_o
    0.02826454 Scotland_Orkney_IA.SG
    0.02857974 Netherlands_MIA_LIA
    0.02873732 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon.SG
    0.02932807 Wales_MIA
    0.02934961 Germany_Drantum_Saxon_Medieval
    0.02941444 Sweden_Late_N.SG
    0.02948996 Ireland_Viking.SG
    0.02957621 England_MBA_lowEEF
    0.02967503 England_LIA_o
    0.02978517 England_N_o
    0.03007413 Netherlands_Friesland_Saxon_Medieval.SG
    0.03018274 Poland_BellBeaker
    0.03046441 Germany_Dunum_Saxon_Medieval
    0.03062970 Germany_BellBeaker
    0.03078850 Switzerland_EBA_2
    0.03082914 Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval:HAN331__AD_1145__C ov_98.41%%
    0.03086781 Czech_BellBeaker
    0.03091374 France_BellBeaker
    0.03106173 Norway_IA.SG
    0.03154666 Norway_Medieval.SG
    0.03181779 Scotland_MIA
    0.03191250 England_LBA_lowEEF
    0.03194363 Denmark_IA.SG

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    Distance to: Ireland_Donegal_Gaelic_Medieval_Average
    0.01447588 Orcadian
    0.01721564 Scottish
    0.01815163 Irish
    0.01906747 English
    0.01985734 Welsh
    0.01997192 English_Cornwall
    0.02154775 Icelandic
    0.02301025 French_Brittany



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    0.01533797 Scotland_LIA
    0.01536945 Scotland_LBA
    0.01544082 England_IA_Roman.SG
    0.01691675 England_EastYorkshire_MIA
    0.01731120 England_MIA_LIA
    0.01743117 England_IA
    0.01778857 England_MBA
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    So the continuity in Ireland is at least 1,000 years old but likely twice as old if not older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    So the continuity in Ireland is at least 1,000 years old but likely twice as old if not older.
    Probably about 2500 years.
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