Difference between ENF Alpinid and Reduced CM

[aherne]

I've noticed many members here lack the ability to distinguish the two phenotypes, generated by two completely different ancestries:

1. Alpinid, originating from ENF, spread throughout Eurasia and North Africa
2. Reduced CM, found only among Europeans (basically), part of our aboriginal phenotypes

Even though both types are round faced (hence the pseudo-Alpinid), there are notable differences easy to spot:

1. Pigmentation: real alpinid phenotype has sallow skin tone and brown hair/eyes while reduced CM has all the normal variation of CM (brown to blonde hair, brown to blue eyes) and light skin tone
2. Nose shape: real alpinid nose is small and delicate whereas reduced CM nose lacks delicacy (it's frequently flattened and upturned)
3. Body type: real Alpinids frequently have voluptous hourglass bodies when very young, but they are almost always fat past their teens, whereas reduced CM have more masculine shapeless bodies

Using that, it's quite easy to distinguish between French reduced-CM (most of the so-caled "subnordids") and real Alpinids (who are actually a minority, if you exclude the misattributed "Alpines").

The caveat is that mixtures of Aryan and real Alpine can create pseudo-reduced-CM look, but look at nose shapes and presence of angularity.

[Oliver109]

I've noticed many members here lack the ability to distinguish the two phenotypes, generated by two completely different ancestries:

1. Alpinid, originating from ENF, spread throughout Eurasia and North Africa
2. Reduced CM, found only among Europeans (basically), part of our aboriginal phenotypes

Even though both types are round faced (hence the pseudo-Alpinid), there are notable differences easy to spot:

1. Pigmentation: real alpinid phenotype has sallow skin tone and brown hair/eyes while reduced CM has all the normal variation of CM (brown to blonde hair, brown to blue eyes) and light skin tone
2. Nose shape: real alpinid nose is small and delicate whereas reduced CM nose lacks delicacy (it's frequently flattened and upturned)
3. Body type: real Alpinids frequently have voluptous hourglass bodies when very young, but they are almost always fat past their teens, whereas reduced CM have more masculine shapeless bodies

Using that, it's quite easy to distinguish between French reduced-CM (most of the so-caled "subnordids") and real Alpinids (who are actually a minority, if you exclude the misattributed "Alpines").

The caveat is that mixtures of Aryan and real Alpine can create pseudo-reduced-CM look, but look at nose shapes and presence of angularity.

Interesting post, Ireland has a lot of alpinid types that are different to the French in a number of ways, they are paler but still darker than unreduced CM types having a somewhat warm complexion but untanning compared to the French, also larger eyes are typical compared to the small eyes of so many French, heightwise they are similar but the French have a more shapeless figure in general.

[aherne]

Interesting post, Ireland has a lot of alpinid types that are different to the French in a number of ways, they are paler but still darker than unreduced CM types having a somewhat warm complexion but untanning compared to the French, also larger eyes are typical compared to the small eyes of so many French, heightwise they are similar but the French have a more shapeless figure in general.

Most of those found in Ireland are mixes of ENF-derived Alpine and HG-derived reduced CM, same as here in Romania. A true Alpine should be able to pass in North Africa, Turkey and Lebanon...

[Hektor12]

A true Alpine should be able to pass in North Africa, Turkey and Lebanon...

Hannah Murray?

[Oliver109]

Most of those found in Ireland are mixes of ENF-derived Alpine and HG-derived reduced CM, same as here in Romania. A true Alpine should be able to pass in North Africa, Turkey and Lebanon...

Interesting but that begs the question is a proper French style alpinid a Med or a Cro Magnon?

[aherne]

Hannah Murray?

She's only reduced CM. It is absurd to expect them to have been all blonde / blue eyed. Not passable anywhere except Europe...

[aherne]

Interesting but that begs the question is a proper French style alpinid a Med or a Cro Magnon?

In France, both phenotypes are found.

Audrey Tautou is a good example or real Alpinid => easily passable in Turkey, somewhat passable as Maghrebi. The woman I've commented before is just a brunet CM, completely different phenotypes in origin that may sometimes look similar if:

- the CM element is brunet
- both are fat

[Hektor12]

She's only reduced CM. It is absurd to expect them to have been all blonde / blue eyed. Not passable anywhere except Europe...

Shes 1,65 as well. My girlfirend has very similar face and shes 1,72.

[Immanenz]

In France, both phenotypes are found.

Audrey Tautou is a good example or real Alpinid => easily passable in Turkey, somewhat passable as Maghrebi. The woman I've commented before is just a brunet CM, completely different phenotypes in origin that may sometimes look similar if:

- the CM element is brunet
- both are fat

well, actually you are wrong. Hannah Murray is Alpine, while Toutou is most likely meso-doli, she belongs to older Meds, she has genuine Cm admix
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/98/40/f9/9...7d69582ccc.jpg

[Oliver109]

well, actually you are wrong. Hannah Murray is Alpine, while Toutou is most likely meso-doli, she belongs to older Meds, she has genuine Cm admix
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/98/40/f9/9...7d69582ccc.jpg

Isn't an alpine basically a derivative of a med? Basically they are brunet Caucasoids so meds or predominant meds?