If Bell Beakers invaded Ireland how is it that many people there look distinct from other Europeans?

[Flashball]

Because phenotypes evolve and are not static.

[Grace O'Malley]

Every population is distinct to a certain extent. This is what you would expect. Even Danish don't look the same as Norwegians and Dutch and Belgians don't look the same. Population have some crossover because no population is fully isolated. And the Irish haven't been isolated for 4,500 years obviously. If they were they would be very distinctive genetically and be very distant from other populations.

[Creoda]

Ireland is said to be overwhelmingly Bell Beaker in genetic makeup but the fact is that people there still look extremely distinct to the Germans or Dutch or wherever the Beakers came from, a pure Brunn is extremely hard to find in continental Europe for example.

Heavily Corded Ware Germanics and heavily Med/EEF Celts overran and mostly replaced the original Bell Beaker Bronze Age stock in Continental NW Europe, by contrast it's still the majority of ancestry in Ireland.

[Oliver109]

Heavily Corded Ware Germanics and heavily Med/EEF Celts overran and mostly replaced the original Bell Beaker Bronze Age stock in Continental NW Europe, by contrast it's still the majority of ancestry in Ireland.

Interesting, though how do you explain the fact that the northern Dutch are heavily Cro Magnon and quite pale like the Irish?

[PaganPoet]

Leprechaun admixture.

[Septentrion]

Interesting, though how do you explain the fact that the northern Dutch are heavily Cro Magnon and quite pale like the Irish?

You shouldn’t be surprised, knowing that the Brunn type most common in Western Ireland is a Cromagnid type related to The Dalofaelid and Borreby types. In the Netherlands, a decent amount of Borrebied and Dalofaelids, as well as some Brunns in the far-north (Friesland) are found. Although overall, the Dutch are less CM than the Irish, tend to be more Nordid.

[Septentrion]

Every population is distinct to a certain extent. This is what you would expect. Even Danish don't look the same as Norwegians and Dutch and Belgians don't look the same. Population have some crossover because no population is fully isolated. And the Irish haven't been isolated for 4,500 years obviously. If they were they would be very distinctive genetically and be very distant from other populations.

Apparently, the “most isolated” by physical anthropology standards are the native Keltic - speaking (Gaelic to be precise) people of the Aran Isles (Western Ireland). They have developed an «*exaggerated phenotype*» of the Keltic Nordid (Aran Nordid). To this day, there is no phenotype comparable to this one in Europe. The cause for such a phenotype is said due to isolation and inbreeding.

[ecptr]

Leprechaun admixture.

Bell Beakers invaded Ireland but the Irish told them to fuck off.

[Septentrion]

Ireland is said to be overwhelmingly Bell Beaker in genetic makeup but the fact is that people there still look extremely distinct to the Germans or Dutch or wherever the Beakers came from, a pure Brunn is extremely hard to find in continental Europe for example.

In continental Europe, Brunns tend to be found more so in the very north, in Scandinavia (notably Sweden or Norway). This is because it’s a population (aboriginal) which was present in North - Western Europe before the others. It has been better «*preserved*» in the British Isles, particularly Ireland due to the insular location. So to this day, we can’t tell if the Bell Beakers were Brunn or Nordid or both. Germany and the Netherlands are not islands thus a lot harder to «*preserve*» anything to the same level as the Brunn type. Nevertheless, in the Fehmarn Island off Germany’ s Baltic coast, another phenotype (aboriginal) has been preserved in that part of Northern Europe. It’s the Borreby. These two races or phenotypes whatever you want to call them were much more present in this part of Europe before the others arrived such as the Nordid, Alpinid, etc…

[Septentrion]

But Ireland isn't that different to Britain, which is where the comparison really lies.

It isn’t and it is. The Nordid race hold sway throughout British Isles populations as a whole. However, there is very strong CM remnant in Ireland in comparison to Britain. Ireland thus holds an «*older*» population in a sense, while Britain has a comparatively more recent one from the continent. In other words, the British are the linking population between Ireland and the continent. This should not be surprising if one’s well aware of British Isles history. Right?