Medieval Modeling:Composite 2-way modeling using 2x ADC Ancient Scaled Individuals Official G25

**ScandinavianCelt** · 09-18-2024, 05:29 PM

Experimental Medieval modeling:

1. Get your 2x result from the samples above
2. Get your 2-way modeling of each resultant sample from step #1 and show the result; use this 2-way modeling tool for each sample: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/oracle.aspx
3. Calculate the % of each result and post it

Mine:
1. Result:

Target: SC_Official_AveragedG25_Scaled
Distance: 1.5716% / 0.01571609 | ADC: 2x RC
38.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval:GRO015.A_noUD G
32.2 Germany_Anderten_Saxon_Medieval:ADN007_noUDG
29.2 Germany_Drantum_Saxon_Medieval

RU017.A_noUDG

2. 2-way results (of each result above):

38.6% Gronigen Saxon: 83% Welsh + 17% Russian_Krasnoborsky
32.2% Anderten Saxon: 94% Norwegian + 6% Georgian_Svan
29.2% Drantum Saxon: 96% Icelandic + 4% Sengwer

3. Calculated modeling of the 2-way results:

32.04% Welsh
30.27% Norwegian
28.03% Icelandic
6.56% Russian_Krasnoborsky
1.93% Georgian_Svan
1.17% Sengwer (Kenyan)
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Try it for fun. Will take a few minutes to calculte each of your 2-way samples. If you don't have the patience for it, just post your 2-way results for each sample you get at 2x on the calc.

Have a good day.

**Upsilander** · 09-18-2024, 05:54 PM

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

**ScandinavianCelt** · 09-18-2024, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Upsilander

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

Nicely done! And interesting to compare with mine.

**Beowulf** · 09-18-2024, 06:02 PM

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0133% / 0.01327286 | ADC: 2x RC
41.1 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
29.7 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
29.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2

Distance to:	Beowulf_Scaled
0.01336854	58.80% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 41.20% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R1285.SG
0.01355819	57.20% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 42.80% Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_EarlyMedieval:TAQ011
0.01426119	61.40% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG + 38.60% Spain_Medieval:I10895
0.01446053	61.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 38.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR013
0.01472657	59.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 40.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR010

**EasternLusitanian** · 09-18-2024, 06:16 PM

Really simple results:

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0139% / 0.01392343
33.9 Lebanon_Medieval_o1.SG:SI-41_noUDG.SG
21.3 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o:COR002
17.3 England_EarlyMedieval:I11581
10.7 England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20672
5.5 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval:SNN004
3.8 Lebanon_Medieval.SG:SI-45_noUDG.SG
3.3 Norway_Medieval.SG:VK124_noUDG.SG
2.8 Mongolia_Arkhangai_EarlyMedieval:OLN002
1.4 Israel_Medieval_oNAfrica:I11095

Target: MV_scaled
Distance: 0.0300% / 0.03004497 | ADC: 2x RC
100.0 Spain_Medieval:I10895

2 way (It's exactly the same as the final 2-way modelling) 93% Spanish_Lleida + 7% Berber_Tunisia_Chen

**ScandinavianCelt** · 09-18-2024, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Upsilander

1. No RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 1.7946% / 0.01794580
37.4 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
26.2 England_EarlyMedieval
9.4 Italy_Sardinia_Medieval
7.2 Germany_EarlyMedieval_o1.SG
5.6 Estonia_Medieval.SG
4.6 Italy_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_o
3.8 Germany_EarlyMedieval.SG
3.0 Ukraine_Medieval.SG
2.8 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

1. 2x RC:
Target: Upsilander_Scaled
Distance: 2.2020% / 0.02201957 | ADC: 2x RC
45.0 Denmark_Zealand_Saxon_Medieval
39.4 Norway_Medieval.SG
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen_Saxon_Medieval

2. 2-way:
45.0 Denmark_Zealand: 67% Danish + 33% Sorb_Niederlausitz
39.4 Norway_Medieval: 82% English + 18% Spanish_Asturias
15.6 Netherlands_Groningen: 85% Welsh + 15% Bosnian

3. 2-way modeling:
32.30% English
30.16% Danish
14.85% Sorb_Niederlausitz
13.26% Welsh
7.09% Spanish_Asturias
2.34% Bosnian

Try your 2x from the Medieval calc vs 6th C BC calc for further modeling going backwards:

Basically putting me 2/3 Germanic, 1/3 Insular

**Upsilander** · 09-18-2024, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

Nicely done! And interesting to compare with mine.

Just using my own coordinates on 'exploreyourdna' works too for me

80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule

Originally Posted by ScandinavianCelt

Try your 2x from the Medieval calc vs 6th C BC calc for further modeling going backwards:

Where you get this model?

**ScandinavianCelt** · 09-18-2024, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Beowulf

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0133% / 0.01327286 | ADC: 2x RC
41.1 Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG
29.7 Germany_AltInden_Saxon_EMedieval
29.2 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_2

Distance to:	Beowulf_Scaled
0.01336854	58.80% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 41.20% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG:R1285.SG
0.01355819	57.20% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 42.80% Italy_Lazio_Viterbo_EarlyMedieval:TAQ011
0.01426119	61.40% Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern_oCentralEuropean.SG:R12 24.SG + 38.60% Spain_Medieval:I10895
0.01446053	61.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 38.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR013
0.01472657	59.40% England_EarlyMedieval_Saxon:I20644 + 40.60% Italy_Tuscany_Siena_EarlyMedieval:ETR010

Debe obtener el resultado bidireccional para cada una de las muestras resultantes de 2x. Luego, calcule esos porcentajes para obtener el modelo.

**Dušan** · 09-18-2024, 06:20 PM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1894% / 0.02189380 | ADC: 2x RC
52.0 Macedonia_Medieval
48.0 Croatia_Medieval_o

Macedonia_Medieval: 63% Italian_Liguria + 37% Russian_Orel
Croatia_Medieval_o: 64% Lithuanian_VZ + 36% Sephardic_Jew

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5099% / 0.02509895
40.2 Italian_Liguria
28.0 Russian_Orel
22.4 Lithuanian_VZ
9.4 Sephardic_Jew

**ScandinavianCelt** · 09-18-2024, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Upsilander

Just using my own coordinates on 'exploreyourdna' works too for me

80% German_Hamburg + 20% Basque_Soule

Where you get this model?

Click the "MULTI" tab on Vahaduo, next to Single calculator tab.

Is that 2-way from the link I posted with your official coords? That would be a direct modern result. This thread is for modeling yourself more via Medieval breakdown of what you were then.

My modern 2-way, directly, from that link above is:

91% Danish + 9% Roma_Balkans