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    Turkey threatens France over stance on killing of Armenians by Ottomans

    French parliament to debate proposal to prosecute people who deny mass killings were an act of genocide



    Turkey has threatened to denounce France's colonial past at international meetings in retaliation for French plans to prosecute people who deny that the mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks was genocide.

    Turkey rejects the term genocide to describe the killings of Armenians more than 90 years ago. Historians estimate that up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed and experts say it was the first genocide of the 20th century.

    France considers the killings a genocide. The lower house of the French parliament is to debate a proposal that would punish anyone denying that the slaughter was genocide with one year in prison and a €45,000 (£37,700) fine.

    The issue threatens to further harm Turkish-French relations already tense over French president Nicolas Sarkozy's opposition to Turkey's bid to join the EU.

    Turkey has threatened to withdraw its ambassador to France if the bill is passed, while prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said the country should investigate alleged French abuses in Algeria and Rwanda instead.

    France had troops in Rwanda in 1994, and Rwandan president Paul Kagame has accused the country of doing little to stop the country's genocide.

    Turkey's foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Sunday that Ankara would bring up the issue of "French colonialism" and "start talking about truths everywhere in the world". His words were carried by the state-run Anadolu agency.

    Meanwhile, France's foreign ministry said on Monday that foreign minister Alain Juppe would meet a delegation from Turkey's parliament on Tuesday to discuss the draft law.

    Volkan Bozkir, head of the foreign affairs committee, and opposition figure Osman Koruturk are leading the delegation that is lobbying French legislators against the bill.

    Turks have called for a boycott of French goods and companies in retaliation for the draft law.

    Turkish government officials say trade rules and a customs union agreement between Turkey and the EU forbid an official boycott of France – an important economic partner.

    Turkey's economy minister said, however, that a joint Turkish-French economic co-operation meeting scheduled for January could be cancelled if the bill is passed.
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    They are obviously doing a bad service to Armenians by tabooing the debating of the subjetc. While the Genocide is hard to deny the sheer fact of ban on alternative thought might provoke pro-Turkish sentiment.
    That said French most probably have their own agenda and are using the Genocide as a casus belli to start a conflict with Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    That said French most probably have their own agenda and are using the Genocide as a casus belli to start a conflict with Turks.
    That's probably part of it. France doesn't want Turkey in the EU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    That's probably part of it. France doesn't want Turkey in the EU.
    Good point Loki, as usual. In any case they would have to rename to The Eurasian Union.

    Childish.

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    Armenians were not targeted for being Armenians. A segment of their population was targeted for arming themselfs against Ottoman state and cooperating with Russians. There were cases were they opened fire to Turkish civilians.

    What is there to do when there is a situation like this? You have to disarm them. They did not want to disarm themselves and live peacefully and those were the consequences.

    War is not genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bozkurt_Karabash View Post
    Armenians were not targeted for being Armenians. A segment of their population was targeted for arming themselfs against Ottoman state and cooperating with Russians. There were cases were they opened fire to Turkish civilians.

    What is there to do when there is a situation like this? You have to disarm them. They did not want to disarm themselves and live peacefully and those were the consequences.

    War is not genocide.

    I believe there to be evidence of it.

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    Looks like the Armenia lobby strikes again. I don't see why uninvolved third parties should have to debate long over historical atrocities.

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    I'm all for free speech, but I'm pretty sure this move has been made to just exclusively piss off the Turks. Another factor is that France has a strong armenian diaspora or so I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    I'm all for free speech, but I'm pretty sure this move has been made to just exclusively piss off the Turks. Another factor is that France has a strong armenian diaspora or so I've heard.
    Joe McCarthy has a strong point. Armenians have a similar tendency to Jews in diaspora to attempt to influence things to make to their side. Gladly for us, they are not as powerful not as intelligent as jews. If the Armenians were as powerful and intelligent, we would simply not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incal View Post
    I'm all for free speech, but I'm pretty sure this move has been made to just exclusively piss off the Turks. Another factor is that France has a strong armenian diaspora or so I've heard.
    I agree, and I hate the EU, but NO FUCKING WAY THE TURKS ARE EUROPEAN! They have no place in the EU, just like the Armenians don't either.

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