Turkey threatens France over stance on killing of Armenians by Ottomans

[Joe McCarthy]

Joe McCarthy has a strong point. Armenians have a similar tendency to Jews in diaspora to attempt to influence things to make to their side. Gladly for us, they are not as powerful not as intelligent as jews. If the Armenians were as powerful and intelligent, we would simply not exist.

You're correct on all points. The Armenia lobby in the US also tries to destroy the US relationship with Turkey. So does the Greek lobby.

[Panopticon]

Armenians were not targeted for being Armenians. A segment of their population was targeted for arming themselfs against Ottoman state and cooperating with Russians. There were cases were they opened fire to Turkish civilians.

What is there to do when there is a situation like this? You have to disarm them. They did not want to disarm themselves and live peacefully and those were the consequences.

War is not genocide.

Nice logic there: "they asked for it so they got it". You can't argue against the fact that the Armenian genocide is real because they somehow had provoked their genocide and therefore according to broken logic or just cynical denial deserved it. They might've provoked it but that doesn't change that there were 1-1.5 million Armenian deaths, of which most were civilians that were slaughtered systematically.

I hope more countries recognize the Armenian genocide. That would be one step closer to a world where truth isn't denied due to politics. I don't think people should be punished for denying anything however.

[Contra Mundum]

Ironic that some of Joe's biggest supporters are Albanian and Turkish Muslims.

[CuriousQuisling]

Persecution for opinions. This is so Orwellian.
We need to let people and their opinions be.
Go after the muggers and the rapists, not the revisionists.

Q.

[Bozkurt_Karabash]

Nice logic there: "they asked for it so they got it". You can't argue against the fact that the Armenian genocide is real because they somehow had provoked their genocide and therefore according to broken logic or just cynical denial deserved it. They might've provoked it but that doesn't change that there were 1-1.5 million Armenian deaths, of which most were civilians that were slaughtered systematically.

I hope France recognises the Armenian genocide and the rest of the countries who haven't as well. That would be one step closer to a world where truth isn't denied due to politics.

Give me your definition of genocide first? Armenians were not slaughtered systematically, there were lots of Armenians in government positions over all the empire. It was not a situation of racial extermination. We never had an "Armenian problem" until they started siding with the russians. Many of these "civilians" were arming themselves with the Russia. They were trying attrition war. It didn't work for them.

[Incal]

Looks like the Armenia lobby strikes again. I don't see why uninvolved third parties should have to debate long over historical atrocities.

LOL Joe you don't seem to be as strict when it comes to your beloved jewish lobby.

[Joe McCarthy]

Ironic that some of Joe's biggest supporters are Albanian and Turkish Muslims.

The question is: why is France involving itself in a century old conflict between Turkey and Armenia? It'd be like the US Congress taking up the Spanish Inquisition. It's idiocy.

[Bozkurt_Karabash]

The question is: why is France involving itself in a century old conflict between Turkey and Armenia? It'd be like the US Congress taking up the Spanish Inquisition. It's idiocy.

Modern Turkey should not be blamed for past atrocities during different eras. It was not more genocide than Russians in Chechnya, just fight against separatist.

[Contra Mundum]

The question is: why is France involving itself in a century old conflict between Turkey and Armenia? It'd be like the US Congress taking up the Spanish Inquisition. It's idiocy.

Why are they building Holocaust memorials and monuments in America, Canada and Australia?

[Stars Down To Earth]

I agree with whoever said there is no way in hell the Turks are European. They should be treated as the Asian foreigners they are. The flooding of Europe with waves of Turkish immigrants and their constant nagging to get into the EU simply reeks of Neo-Ottomanism.

In an ideal world, the Turks would give back Constantinople to the Greeks, get out of Europe altogether, and look eastwards instead. Maybe connect more with other Turkic-speaking countries, and forming a sort of Central Asian bloc. In that case, I could see the Turks being an Asian force to reckon with, and perhaps an ally of Europe whenever it's time to smack down the Muslim Arabs. In other words, dumping this pretense of "Europeanness" and instead going back to their organic Turkic roots.

I'd like to see an organic nationalist revival in every country, and Turkey isn't an exception.