Is Selfishness and Egotism a Moral Necessity

[GeistFaust]

My belief is that selfishness and egotism are a moral necessity. This is to say that they are both necessities which arise from certain psychological conditions. We are conditioned instinctually to be selfish and egotistical in accordance with surviving. This does not mean we should exclude ourselves from the community of people or to isolate ourselves from serving a common good. It just means we should only consider belonging to this community of people or this common good in so far as it serves our egotism and selfishness to some extent or another.



My belief is that egotistic and selfish man is true master of morality, and all his thoughts and actions are determined in accordance with authentic and noble principles and rules. The man who believes in an altruistic reality where all those in the community serve each other as equals and in an equal manner is a mere communistic delusion. It is this fantasy which many a religious man falls into even though subconsciously the religious man does not believe this to be true.



This is to say that anything that is self-conscious of itself which determine itself to some extent or another in an egotistical and selfish manner is acting in contradiction with his nature. Alas the religious man in his foolish ponderings believes this contradiction to be an act of reason and to allow him to attain liberty and freedom. Instead all it does is takes from him what he truly desires and projects his true desires into a realm of hell and heaven.



This type of man who believes in this principle of life has already defeated his purpose of life and the purpose of life in its totality. This is not a man who can claim to have self-mastered himself or taken responsibility of that which is unique and original in him. There is no greater way to profane the sacred then to reject the reality of this world for some other reality which never might be.



This is the curse the pious and sublime man brings upon us and he does so through the cunning devies of dogma. They appear to be so sacredly devised to the ignorant and foolish man, when they are but extrapolations of the sensibility of the pious man. A sensibility which is full of all kinds of wickedness, but which tries to conceal this wickedness through dogma.



This is to say that this man is nothing short of a hypocrite for trying to conceal that which is natural within his being. This is a great crime and one which we should look lightly upon. Its only the man of egotism and selfishness that can abstract from all that is unique and original within him in order to determine his being to its fullest.



This is the man of philosophy and art and it is upon him that existence can reach a second birth. It is only the man of egotism and selfishness that can make that creative leap into the abyss of his person through the utilizations of his own uniqueness and originality.

[TheBorrebyViking]

I agree, if we don't think of ourselves as superiour in some way, we are admitting we are inferiour.

[GeistFaust]

I agree, if we don't think of ourselves as superiour in some way, we are admitting we are inferiour.

Its completely insane and ridiculous to not being selfish and egotistical to some extent. Most of our altruistic acts themselves are nothing but selfish and egotistical acts to some degree.

This is why I like to say all those people who believe in a communistic mindset where we are all equal and deserve things in equal are just hypocrites.


They are not being honest or straightforward about their egotism and selfishness, but instead they try to disguise and hide it. They do this through rational arguments and propositions all of which exploit their egotism and selfishness.

[Der Steinadler]

My belief is that selfishness and egotism are a moral necessity. This is to say that they are both necessities which arise from certain psychological conditions. We are conditioned instinctually to be selfish and egotistical in accordance with surviving. This does not mean we should exclude ourselves from the community of people or to isolate ourselves from serving a common good. It just means we should only consider belonging to this community of people or this common good in so far as it serves our egotism and selfishness to some extent or another.

if there's such a thing as a 'common good', then surely egotism is a contrary attitude.

My belief is that egotistic and selfish man is true master of morality, and all his thoughts and actions are determined in accordance with authentic and noble principles and rules. The man who believes in an altruistic reality where all those in the community serve each other as equals and in an equal manner is a mere communistic delusion. It is this fantasy which many a religious man falls into even though subconsciously the religious man does not believe this to be true.

who said communism is altruistic ?

[GeistFaust]

I don't believe there is a common good just a collection of egos that more or less are attempting to secure their own self-interests.

A common law should be constructed so as to preserve the safety of each individual as they pursue their self interest.


I think that usually the common good is just a guise for certain members to attain a lot of power and sway over the ignorance of the common man.



Its not that Communism is necessarily altruistic or that altruism is necessary a symptom of Communism, but that these both have a tendency to produce each other.

[Flintlocke]

Best piece you ever wrote Geist

[Der Steinadler]

I don't believe there is a common good just a collection of egos that more or less are attempting to secure their own self-interests.

Why do believe that ?

A common law should be constructed so as to preserve the safety of each individual as they pursue their self interest.

There is already a law constructed for that purpose.

I think that usually the common good is just a guise for certain members to attain a lot of power and sway over the ignorance of the common man.

Its not that Communism is necessarily altruistic or that altruism is necessary a symptom of Communism, but that these both have a tendency to produce each other.

There's nothing altruistic about communism.

Marx wrote about Dialectic Materialism. His view is economic.

Quite a distinction from Socialism.

[GeistFaust]

It is affirmed in that there is a law to protect us from people using the guise of the common good for their own self-interests.

Yes I know this I was just reaffirming the need for it regardless of how frivolous or petty it might seem.


Yes, I know there is a distinction between Socialism, but I should have specified that the Communism I am speaking about regards Christianity. Its not the Communism that is found in Marx or any others of his disciples. It simply applies to the communistic mentality Christianity espouses at times.

[Der Steinadler]

It is affirmed in that there is a law to protect us from people using the guise of the common good for their own self-interests.

Yes I know this I was just reaffirming the need for it regardless of how frivolous or petty it might seem.


Yes, I know there is a distinction between Socialism, but I should have specified that the Communism I am speaking about regards Christianity. Its not the Communism that is found in Marx or any others of his disciples. It simply applies to the communistic mentality Christianity espouses at times.

ok I won't question you too much on this.

but I still want you to question yourself on why you believe this.......

I don't believe there is a common good just a collection of egos that more or less are attempting to secure their own self-interests.

[GeistFaust]

ok I won't question you too much on this.

but I still want you to question yourself on why you believe this.......

My belief is that humanity naturally inclines to its own egotism and selfishness and fulfilling the wants and needs as conditioned by society and the environment.

A state is just a fabrication to repress the egotism and selfishness of people through certain laws and codes of conduct.

If we did not have these in place then mankind would be the worse off, and these laws and codes of conduct are often manipulated by those in power for egotistical and selfish concerns.