Who were the Ancient Egyptians?

[Lenny]

The debate over Tut's race led the Franklin Institute Science Museum in Philadelphia, where the show is on display, to sponsor a conference on the subject.

"Our best guess is that he was neither lily white nor ebony black. He was probably somewhere in between," said Nina Jablonski, author of Skin: A Natural History.

"When we look at the representation of the Egyptian royalty on the walls of tombs, we see a range of sort of moderate, tan-colored skin on the royalty," Jablonski said. "This probably is a fairly close approximation of what skin color these people actually had."

Jablonski says Tut's skin probably looked like a mixture of those people, only lighter, because the Boy King would have spent most of his time inside, protected from the sun. The speakers at the Franklin Institute rejected that hypothesis. In fact, they seemed to enjoy making fun of it.

"Okay, now let's look what this really is about. This is shocking. See if you recognize the person on the right," said activist Maulana Karenga, who remain best known as the founder of Kwanzaa. He got a big laugh by comparing the reconstructed image of King Tut with a picture of a young Barbara Streisand.

The panelists believe the Egyptians of Tut's time had, for the most part, very dark skin, like people from sub-Saharan Africa. source

• What racial type would you guess Tut to have been?
• Do the Afrocentrists have any basis to allege that he is mulatto?
• Did the decline of Egyptian Civilization start long before Tuthankhamen was born? If so -- pardon me for saying this -- I would have an easier time believing Negroid admixture in the royal line by that point.
• What percentage of today's Egyptians would you guess have noticeable Negroid blood? Like this man

[Guapo]

So called Hamitic race,sub-group of Causasian race, descended from the biblical Ham.Italian race theorist Giuseppe Sergi, in his book The Mediterranean Race, argued that there was a distinct Hamitic racial group which could be divided into two sub-groups: The northern and eastern Hamites.

[Lenny]

So called Hamitic race,sub-group of Causasian race, descended from the biblical Ham.Italian race theorist Giuseppe Sergi, in his book The Mediterranean Race, argued that there was a distinct Hamitic racial group which could be divided into two sub-groups: The northern and eastern Hamites.

Who is that picture?

Is your/Mr.Sergi's use of the the term "Hamitic" the same as this one?

[Guapo]

Who is that picture?

Is your/Mr.Sergi's use of the the term "Hamitic" the same as this one?

An Oromo Ethiopian.No, part of the caucasoid race and considered to be superior to 'negroids'.

[Stefan]

He looks like a quadroon to me.

[Electronic God-Man]

What racial type would you guess Tut to have been?

Northeast African Mediterranean, go figure.

Do the Afrocentrists have any basis to allege that he is mulatto?

I think they are trying to say that the ancient Egyptians were much like today's Sub-Saharan Africans. In my opinion, the Egyptians were/are Africans. But comparing an Egyptian to a Sub-Saharan is a lot like comparing a blonde Icelander to a swarthy Sicilian. Moreover, the Egyptians themselves clearly saw themselves as being of a different stock than the Africans to the South. There is one lovely painting from ancient Egypt which basically shows a line-up of the races that they knew. There is a Semite, a Nubian, a European of some sort I believe, and then an Egyptian. The depiction shows the differences in phenotype. Also, I have been to the Philly exhibit and saw a pair of sandals worn by the Pharaoh. On the bottom of the sandals is a depiction of a Semite and a black-skinned African. The idea was that he was always crushing his enemies. The Near Eastern tribes and the Africans to the south were the enemies of Egypt and they did not get along too often from what I understand.

Did the decline of Egyptian Civilization start long before Tuthankhamen was born? If so -- pardon me for saying this -- I would have an easier time believing Negroid admixture in the royal line by that point.

I'm not sure, but I think I do remember reading about "the black pharaohs" of Egypt that ruled near the end of Egypt's power. These pharaohs were from Nubia, I think.

[lei.talk]

[Lenny]

But, about 3400 B.C. Egypt civilization began to spread up the
Nile River, bringing it in close contact with the black Nubians to the
south. Soon they were using Blacks for slave labor and Egypt became
history's first melting pot.

In time the infusion of Negro blood worked itself up from the
bottom of Egyptian society. The slaves were eventually freed, received
political equality, and took posts of authority in government.

By the time of King Tut (1370-1352 B.C.) even the ruling classes
had been mongrelized and Egypt had begun a tailspin downward.

http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/white/100lies.txt

[Lenny]

Northeast African Mediterranean, go figure.

Is that a racial type?


Surely someone must have done a genetic test on the corpse at some point?

[Electronic God-Man]

Is that a racial type?

If you had to lay down your cards and guess on the Negrid Blood Question, which is it-- Yes or No?

Hasn't anyone ever done a genetic test on the corpse?

No. Mediterranid is though. But he's a Med from Northeastern Africa is all I was saying. These "racial classifications" are rather awkward in that way. A Med from Greece is going to look slightly different than one from Italy versus one from Spain versus one from Libya...

Do I think he has any Sub-Saharan blood? Yes, he probably does, but that's not really what matters. My point would be to say that the Egyptian population looked the way that they depicted themselves. Not European, not SS African, not Arab. And not some hybrid population caused by rampant miscegenation of all three. They were natives of Egypt and that's how they looked. It wasn't an "Aryan" population that was "negrified" (as Nordicists would say) nor a Black African population that was Arabized (as Afro-centrists would say).