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    What bothered me since I got my grandpa's G25 coordinates was that he often scores some minor West Asia/Caucasus. On Ancestry he scored 1% Levant, on FTDNA 4% Middle East (2% Druze, 2% Anatolia) and on Illustrative Middle Ages Breakdown - 8.8% North Caucasian. Do you think it's just noise or some distant ancestry? Afterall, he comes from Podolia, which was pretty much a constant battlefield.

    Here are his coordinates:
    Grandpa_scaled,0.126344,0.128972,0.057699,0.053295 ,0.030467,0.020359,0.01081,0.008538,-0.008795,-0.012939,-0.002436,-0.005545,0.011596,0.026836,-0.013708,-0.00411,0.00352,0.001647,0.000754,-0.007003,-0.009608,0.001607,0.002711,-0.006868,0.001676

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    Distance to: Grandpa_scaled
    0.02112549 Ukrainian_Lviv
    0.02308567 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
    0.02492359 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
    0.02494526 Moldovan_o
    0.02508022 Ukrainian_Sumy
    0.02590523 Ukrainian_Rivne
    0.02657828 Polish
    0.02779962 Russian_Belgorod
    0.02786133 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
    0.02812417 Ukrainian_Dnipro
    0.02884388 Russian_Orel
    0.02932227 Russian_Voronez
    0.03082311 Cossack_Ukrainian
    0.03144953 Russian_Smolensk
    0.03156072 Russian_Ryazan
    0.03210696 Russian_Kursk
    0.03232318 Slovakian
    0.03340115 Sorb_Niederlausitz
    0.03367694 Polish_Silesian
    0.03428497 Slovenian
    0.03490953 Czech
    0.03516594 Belarusian
    0.03529440 Croatian
    0.03599079 Hungarian
    0.03671736 Russian_Kaluga



    Target: Grandpa_scaled
    Distance: 1.5250% / 0.01524998 | R3P
    72.0 Belarusian
    22.0 Macedonian
    6.0 Georgian_Mtiuleti


    Target: Grandpa_scaled
    Distance: 1.4924% / 0.01492430 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    40.2 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
    23.0 Ukrainian_Sumy
    19.4 Ukrainian_Rivne
    12.2 Macedonian
    2.6 Georgian_Mtiuleti
    2.2 Iranian_Mazandarani
    0.4 Ju_hoan_North
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    Your grandparents autosomal profile is very Ukrainian.
    Is it common for Poles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Your grandparents autosomal profile is very Ukrainian.
    Is it common for Poles?
    Even he doesn't know if he's ethnically Polish, and I think that's the case for many families from Kresy

    For instance, his grandfather identified as Polish, but his younger brother identified as Ukranian. This brother of his even fought in the Polish-Ukranian war on the Ukranian side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kostek View Post
    Even he doesn't know if he's ethnically Polish, and I think that's the case for many families from Kresy

    For instance, his grandfather identified as Polish, but his younger brother identified as Ukranian. This brother of his even fought in the Polish-Ukranian war on the Ukranian side.
    Interesting. According to this, there were fluid identities of Ukrainians both in east (toward Russians) and west (toward Poles).
    Does he speak Polish or Ukrainian, is he Catholic or Orthodox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kostek View Post
    What bothered me since I got my grandpa's G25 coordinates was that he often scores some minor West Asia/Caucasus. On Ancestry he scored 1% Levant, on FTDNA 4% Middle East (2% Druze, 2% Anatolia) and on Illustrative Middle Ages Breakdown - 8.8% North Caucasian. Do you think it's just noise or some distant ancestry? Afterall, he comes from Podolia, which was pretty much a constant battlefield.

    Here are his coordinates:
    Grandpa_scaled,0.126344,0.128972,0.057699,0.053295 ,0.030467,0.020359,0.01081,0.008538,-0.008795,-0.012939,-0.002436,-0.005545,0.011596,0.026836,-0.013708,-0.00411,0.00352,0.001647,0.000754,-0.007003,-0.009608,0.001607,0.002711,-0.006868,0.001676
    Many Poles have traces of Ashkenazi or Caucasus ancestry due to assimilated Alans in certain regions, while the Druze are 100% of a signal of small Jewish or East Mediterranean admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    Interesting. According to this, there were fluid identities of Ukrainians both in east (toward Russians) and west (toward Poles).
    Does he speak Polish or Ukrainian, is he Catholic or Orthodox?
    He speaks only Polish but his parents spoke both languages. At that time Poles knew Ukranian well and vice versa, he was just 5 when he was resettled with his family so, he didn't learn Ukranian. He was born in Greek Catholic parish but is Roman Catholic. I know it seems weird, but as he recalled, his family attended both churches, preferably the one that was closer to them at the moment.

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    You should add your grandfather to the Poles from Kresy Project:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...om-kresy/about

    BTW have you already uploaded his raw DNA data to GEDmatch?:

    https://www.gedmatch.com/
    My DNA Origin analysis for 16 EUR (you get 2 reports examining ancestry from 3012 regions, 226 countries): https://www.exploreyourdna.com/DNAOrigin.aspx

    This analysis is not based on G25 but on ADMIXTURE. And it has more regions than any other DNA test!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    You should add your grandfather to the Poles from Kresy Project:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...om-kresy/about

    BTW have you already uploaded his raw DNA data to GEDmatch?:

    https://www.gedmatch.com/
    I'm not sure how

    Yes, I already uploaded his data on GEDmatch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kostek View Post
    I'm not sure how
    You need to click the "Join" button on the right side of the screen.
    Of course before clicking you need to log into his FTDNA account.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kostek View Post
    Yes, I already uploaded his data on GEDmatch
    Post his Eurogenes K36 calculator results (admixture percentages).
    My DNA Origin analysis for 16 EUR (you get 2 reports examining ancestry from 3012 regions, 226 countries): https://www.exploreyourdna.com/DNAOrigin.aspx

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