Colonization/Immigration and fault (Split; Personal Bias)

[пустиняк]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

You need to lurk moar.

I'm right you know that

[пустиняк]

About what? You don't seem to know the first thing about myself, other British Islanders or the history we share.

I mean you have Pakis or Indians or Africans because of your empire am I right ?

[Sikeliot]

I mean you have Pakis or Indians or Africans because of your empire am I right ?

You mean to say that the reason Britain is the country of choice in Europe for African and Pakistani immigration is because the British colonized them and they are the most familiar Europeans to these people.

When non-Europeans immigrate to Europe they often go to the country that colonized them. I.e. Algerians to France, Brazilians and Cape Verdeans to Portugal etc.

[Alison]

Given that I am part Cape Verdean, I have ancestors on both sides of the slave trade and colonization, so at some point yes, some of my ancestors were colonizing for personal gain. I'm not saying that we are accountable for what our ancestors did but as a people, we cannot complain about the things we go through today given that someone of our respective ethnicity was to blame, not outside sources.

And therein lies the rub. For how many more centuries are we to be blamed for what happened long ago?

Take the matric pass rate of 2011. It wasn't great, and people still blame apartheid. All this where, and I will only give two examples:

A disabled boy who writes with his feet, refused extra time as he wanted to pass with no special privileges. He achieved university exemption.

A boy who travelled for hours to get to school and back, lives in a shack in a squatter camp and studied by candlelight got 7 or 8 distinctions. His single mother is a maid.

What's different about these boys compared to the rest who failed dismally? They had drive and determination, and despite the obstacles, did what needed doing.

[Sikeliot]

And therein lies the rub. For how many more centuries are we to be blamed for what happened long ago?

Take the matric pass rate of 2011. It wasn't great, and people still blame apartheid. All this where, and I will only give two examples:

A disabled boy who writes with his feet, refused extra time as he wanted to pass with no special privileges. He achieved university exemption.

A boy who travelled for hours to get to school and back, lives in a shack in a squatter camp and studied by candlelight got 7 or 8 distinctions. His single mother is a maid.

What's different about these boys compared to the rest who failed dismally? They had drive and determination, and despite the obstacles, did what needed doing.

Well it all depends on context. In general I believe that the past is just that, the past. And really, none of us today are responsible for the slave trade, colonization, or anything else that our ancestors did.

HOWEVER I still do not think I have a place to bitch and complain about the millions of mixed-race Brazilians who immigrate to my town and have given everyone else a distorted view of what it means to be Portuguese (i.e. idiots thinking samba is Portuguese music and that we all look like mulattos and what have you) because I know that the reason Brazilian mulattos and triracials exist is because my ancestors (be it through force or not) reproduced indiscriminantly with their non-European ancestors. Therefore, the blame lies not with the mixed Brazilians, but with my ancestors.