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    In the study of international relations, Realism or political realism prioritizes national interest and security over ideology, moral concerns and social reconstructions. This term is often synonymous with power politics.

    Realism is the view that world politics is driven by competitive self-interest.
    Realist theories tend to uphold that:

    The international system exists in a state of constant antagonism.
    There is no actor above states capable of regulating their interactions; states must arrive at relations with other states on their own, rather than it being dictated to them by some higher controlling entity (see international anarchy).

    In pursuit of national security, states strive to attain as many resources as possible.

    States are unitary actors each moving towards their own national interest. There is a general distrust of long-term cooperation or alliance.

    The overriding national interest of each state is its survival.

    Relations between states are determined by their levels of power derived primarily from their military and economic capabilities.

    The interjection of morality and values into international relations causes reckless commitments, diplomatic rigidity, and the escalation of conflict.

    Sovereign states are the principal actors in the international system and special attention is afforded to large powers as they have the most influence on the international stage. International institutions, non-governmental organizations, multinational corporations, individuals and other sub-state or trans-state actors are viewed as having little independent influence.

    In summary, realists believe that mankind is not inherently benevolent but rather self-centered and competitive. This perspective, which is shared by theorists such as Thomas Hobbes, views human nature as egocentric (not necessarily selfish) and conflictual unless there exist conditions under which humans may coexist. This view contrasts with the approach of liberalism to international relations.

    Realists believe that states are inherently aggressive (offensive realism) and/or obsessed with security (defensive realism), and that territorial expansion is only constrained by opposing power(s). This aggressive build-up, however, leads to a security dilemma whereby increasing one's security may bring along even greater instability as an opposing power builds up its own arms in response (an arms race). Thus, security becomes a zero-sum game where only relative gains can be made.

    Realists believe that there are no universal principles with which all states may guide their actions. Instead, a state must always be aware of the actions of the states around it and must use a pragmatic approach to resolve problems as they arise.


    Thucydides, an ancient Greek historian who wrote the History of the Peloponnesian War and is also cited as an intellectual forebearer of realpolitik.


    Niccolň Machiavelli, a Florentine political philosopher, who wrote Il Principe (The Prince) in which he held that the sole aim of a prince (politician) was to seek power, regardless of religious or ethical considerations.


    Cardinal Richelieu, French statesman who destroyed domestic factionalism and guided France to a position of dominance in foreign affairs.


    Thomas Hobbes, an English philosopher who wrote Leviathan in which he stated the state of nature was prone to a "war of all against all".


    Frederick the Great, Prussian monarch who transformed Prussia into a great European power through warfare and diplomacy.


    Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, French diplomat who guided France and Europe through a variety of political systems.


    Carl von Clausewitz, 18-19th century Prussian general and military theorist who wrote On War (Vom Kriege).


    Prince Klemens Wenzel von Metternich, Koblenz-born Austrian statesman opposed to political revolution.

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    The international system exists in a state of constant antagonism.
    There is no actor above states capable of regulating their interactions; states must arrive at relations with other states on their own, rather than it being dictated to them by some higher controlling entity (see international anarchy).
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    12)“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smaland View Post
    Isaiah 43:12-13, New American Standard Bible
    That passage is referring to temporal authorities. There is a role for God in political realism.

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    Otto Von Bismark, Elizabeth the 1st, and Oliver Cromwell all come to mind in the context of this thread. I think political realists tend to be more proactive about certain matters, instead of being more Laissez Faire. A lot of their aggressive natures, which sometimes leads them to attack others, is in actuality stimulated as a defensive measure.



    This would be the defense of some sort of specific national imagec, national political agenda or amibition, and at times the image of the person who is in charge of the operations. I personally think political realists have a greater chance to impress their personality and image onto world history, than more passive figureheads, who are fine with going through the motions without much national self-interest involved.


    I think they can be catalyst in starting certain national movements given that the conditions in the culture are ripe for it. Julius Caesar, Treitschke, and Louis the 14th probably were to some extent political realists. It seems that political realists arise during times of internal and external conflicts between different factions. In their mind taking a realistic or pragmatic approach is the only way to keep the unpredictable and savage nature of mankind in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeistFaust View Post
    Otto Von Bismark, Elizabeth the 1st, and Oliver Cromwell all come to mind in the context of this thread.
    Very much so, along with many others, some of which were non-Western including a certain Chinese military theorist.

    Elizabeth I set the tone for modern English foreign policy, and though Cromwell was an advocate of Protestant expansionism in Europe he employed a more pragmatic approach such as aligning with Catholic France. It paid off too as English prestige was high during his rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    That passage is referring to temporal authorities. There is a role for God in political realism.
    I respectfully disagree. In the passage below, which contains the two verses I originally cited, the Almighty is speaking about Himself (beginning in v.10); the focus is on Him.

    8) Bring out the people who are blind, even though they have eyes,
    And the deaf, even though they have ears.

    9) All the nations have gathered together
    So that the peoples may be assembled.
    Who among them can declare this
    And proclaim to us the former things?
    Let them present their witnesses that they may be justified,
    Or let them hear and say, “It is true.”

    10) “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    So that you may know and believe Me
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    And there will be none after Me.

    11) “I, even I, am the LORD,
    And there is no savior besides Me.

    12) “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed,
    And there was no strange god among you;
    So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
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    I act and who can reverse it?”
    Isaiah 43:8-13, New American Standard Bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smaland View Post
    I respectfully disagree. In the passage below, which contains the two verses I originally cited, the Almighty is speaking about Himself (beginning in v.10); the focus is on Him.



    Isaiah 43:8-13, New American Standard Bible
    I'm referring to the passage I posted in the OP.

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    Rousseau, The state of War (Structural Realism)

    Kenneth Waltz, Theory of International Politics (Structural Realism)

    Also Offensive realism is wrongly defined there. It doesn't mean that states are inherently aggressive, it just means that they strive to be the hegemon, per Mearsheimer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by European Loyalist View Post
    Rousseau, The state of War (Classical Realism)

    Kenneth Waltz, Theory of International Politics (Structural Realism)

    Also Offensive realism is wrongly defined there. It doesn't mean that states are inherently aggressive, it just means that they strive to be the hegemon, per Mearsheimer.

    I don't find Rousseau to be a realist of any sort, especially when you compare him with Hobbes, and even Locke.

    Locke at least was a realist in the context of his own age, and the force of the spirit that was driving social and political evolution.

    Rousseau might have had good intentions, but was too idealistic in so many regards that his thoughts and ideas seem so full of contradictions and illogical assertions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeistFaust View Post
    I don't find Rousseau to be a realist of any sort, especially when you compare him with Hobbes, and even Locke.

    Locke at least was a realist in the context of his own age, and the force of the spirit that was driving social and political evolution.

    Rousseau might have had good intentions, but was too idealistic in so many regards that his thoughts and ideas seem so full of contradictions and illogical assertions.
    In the State of War Rousseau espouses early Structural Realist views. He has some realist conceptions of International Relations, but that's it.

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